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Old 08-14-2009, 01:39 PM   #1
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What do you need for the older olive chest rig?

I think there's the belt (5 cm wide), suspenders, 2 mag pouches (on belt with loops, to suspenders with clips), backpack (to suspenders with clips, usually sold as shoulder bag)...

What else? Any info appreciated.
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Old 08-14-2009, 02:24 PM   #2
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Below are some "basic" images of Bundeswehr individual equipment. I made these images years ago and I see them all the time popping up all around the 'net. Again they are "basic" and were designed to "introduce" collectors to Bundeswehr equipments:









One of these days I will get around to revising them [to include the 1950's era]. I can't find the BGS ones I worked up, but will post them when I do.
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Old 08-14-2009, 05:54 PM   #3
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sgtmonroe - Hands down, the best illustrations of Bundeswehr field gear I have yet to encounter. A virtual sea of ink has been expended on Wehrmacht gear, but you'll have to look long and hard for any clear, concise, and authoritative information on Bundeswehr/BGS set-ups.

I'm a dyed in the wool "gear qu_ _ r" and for me, illustrations such as yours are invaluable resources.

Just out of curiosity, did you use Adobe photoshop and powerpoint?

I for one am looking forward to your revised illustrations and especially look forward to your work on 50s era Bundeswehr gear and anything on the BGS.

I also hope you'll branch out into specialized set-ups such as those for machine gunners, airborne troops, anti-armor specialists etc.

Thanks for your willingness to share your hard won information and highly professional presentations.

All the best - TJ

P.S. - When is your book coming out?
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Old 08-14-2009, 05:59 PM   #4
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Here is a picture that appeared before and sparked some heated discussion as to what field flasks were used by the Bundeswehr vice the BGS.

I look forward to the day when we have a "sgtmunroe diagram" that walks us through the various BGS/BW field gear set-ups from 1951/1955 to the present.

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Old 08-14-2009, 06:17 PM   #5
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Here's a stab I took at putting together a BGS set-up for a submachine armed Jaeger, further equipped with a P2 signal pistol.

I'm not absolutely sure what magazines were accomodated by the ammo pouch, I'll have to research the magazine dimensions of the MP1 (Beretta 38/49), DUX 53, and MP5.

By mining through that awesome BGS website recently brought to light by Klaus1989 and allen, I have determined that the flare pouch should also be present and that the lighter gray green bread bag may be more appropriate.

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Old 08-14-2009, 06:21 PM   #6
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Perhaps out of place here, is this set-up for a G-1 equipped West Berlin Bereitschaftpolizei officer.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:35 PM   #7
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Team - Attached find series of slides containing my ruminations on obscure (to me at least) field gear from the 1950s era.
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Old 08-14-2009, 09:05 PM   #11
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Here's another early attempt at putting together an early BGS rig.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:25 PM   #12
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sgtmonroe - Hands down, the best illustrations of Bundeswehr field gear I have yet to encounter. A virtual sea of ink has been expended on Wehrmacht gear, but you'll have to look long and hard for any clear, concise, and authoritative information on Bundeswehr/BGS set-ups.

I'm a dyed in the wool "gear qu_ _ r" and for me, illustrations such as yours are invaluable resources.

Just out of curiosity, did you use Adobe photoshop and powerpoint?

I for one am looking forward to your revised illustrations and especially look forward to your work on 50s era Bundeswehr gear and anything on the BGS.

I also hope you'll branch out into specialized set-ups such as those for machine gunners, airborne troops, anti-armor specialists etc.

Thanks for your willingness to share your hard won information and highly professional presentations.

All the best - TJ

P.S. - When is your book coming out?
I will tell you right now...there is nothing wrong with being labeled a "gear qu**r"! My problem is my co-workers are all about "high speed low drag" and I am constantly berated for digging the leather and canvas. Of course, I have to have wood somewhere on my firearms also...nothing polymer in the gun safe at the house!

I started collecting in the 80s and I will admit I began Wehrmacht. Over the years I seemed to have amassed a large quantity of post war Bund and BGS items. By the late 1990s I left the Wehrmacht stuff to be sorted out by all the SPR and BOB cum-lately-folks and moved on to mainly 50 and 60s BGS items.

I did the images for a guy on another forum a few years ago who was just starting out and wanted to do a Bundeswehr "set-up" circa late 60s. Since then I guess a ton of people copied the images to the old hard drive and they pop up on other forums from time to time. I do need to revise them as I have used older terminology for the items [mostly Wehrmacht designations] and now have the VersNrs to go with the items. I will see if I can work up other stuff - like airborne, etc...but I usually focus on the plain ole Gewehrschutze.

I am upset I can't find the BGS ones. I did an "early" [mit K98k] and "late" [mit G1] illustration - if I can't find them I will re-do them if I can find my "stash CD" [with all the images I have saved over the years].

BTW - I am a loyal Paint Shop Pro user.

Love the BGS stuff! I am truly jealous of your canteen collection!
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Old 08-15-2009, 11:44 AM   #13
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Thank you for the info! It was much more than I hoped for. Keep those photos coming if you have more
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Old 08-15-2009, 09:52 PM   #14
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sgtmonroe - I began as a Wehrmacht guy too. After painstakingly assembling what I thought was a real sweet landser set-up, I published it on the this forum where I was digitally savaged for putting up crap. Turns out the Y-straps were post-war Czech and the belt buckle was a fake, of the well known (!?) "pigeon head" variety.....

In any event, its does my heart good to encounter those strange souls who actually like the totally unglamorous Bundeswehr gear and share my obsession with bringing to light its many subtle variations. As for the BGS, well there's just so much we don't know. I'm dying to uncover the purpose of those permanently attached D-rings on the back of the BGS camo smocks and how they relate to the field gear. It's fixations like these that have helped me earn the title of "gear qu_ _ r."

You are indeed the Paint Master, and BTW, most of the stuff in my gun safe requires linseed oil for its daily upkeep - along with a tooth brush for the iron sights.

acmer - You've been quiet lately, good to hear from you.

See below for one thought on how those D-rings may function.

All the best - TJ
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Old 08-15-2009, 09:55 PM   #15
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From what I've seen so far on the "new" BGS site, this explanation seems closer to the truth.

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