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Old 07-06-2009, 07:59 PM   #61
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I think the designers of the "new, fancy, modern, space age," Bundesmarine rating badges missed the mark for the most part and distanced themselves too far from German Naval tradition.

The possible exception is this U-boot badge which seems to capture the essence of the undersea service in an elegant and appealing manner.

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Old 01-27-2010, 10:04 AM   #62
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I just discovered this thread and i think it may be interesting to show some pictures of my collection of Federal German Navy badges, before im going to sell the complete collection (no single badges).
I counted 317 different, 135 handembroidered with gold/metal thread. They are most fixed on DIN A3 cardboard with thin cords, not glued or taped. A lot worn, some with stamp of Kleiderkasse der Bundeswehr KKBw on reverse.

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Old 01-27-2010, 10:06 AM   #63
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:07 AM   #64
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:08 AM   #65
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:10 AM   #66
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Old 09-13-2010, 09:09 AM   #67
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Can someone explain the criteria for award of the bronze, silver, and gold grades of pilot wings? This is purely a guess but I would think the grades are either for total flying hours or years of aviation service -- similar to the basic, senior, and command pilot wings of the US military?


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Old 09-13-2010, 01:34 PM   #68
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Taken from the BW regulation ZDV 37/10

Militärluftfahrzeugführer (Nr. 550 (2))

(Heer, Luftwaffe, Marine)

- Stufe I Bronze: Besitz des Militärluftfahrzeugführerscheins (MFS)
und Luftfahrzeugführergrad 3 (Standard Pilot)

- Stufe II Silber: Besitz des MFS und Luftfahrzeugführergrad 2
(Senior Pilot) und 1200 Flugstunden

- Stufe III Gold: Besitz des MFS und Luftfahrzeugführergrad 1
(Command Pilot) und 1800 Flugstunden.

Die fachliche Verwendung beginnt mit der fliegerischen Auswahlschulung
(Screening).

Als Flugstunden angerechnet wird die gesamte Flugzeit als 1. bzw 2. Luftfahrzeugführer
einschließlich Schulung und Auswahlschulung mit dienstlichem
Auftrag.

Military aircraft leader (No. 550 (2))

(Army, Air Force, Navy)

Stage I bronze: Possession of the military aircraft driving licence (MFS) and aircraft leader degree of 3 (standard pilot)

Stage II silver: Possession of the MFS and aircraft leader degree of 2 (senior pilot) and 1200 flying hours

Stage III gold: Possession of the MFS and aircraft leader degree of 1 (COMMAND pilot) and 1800 flying hours.

The technical use begins with the aeronautical selection training (Screening).

As flying hours the entire flying time is taken into account as 1. and/or 2. aircraft leader including training and selection training with official order.
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Old 09-13-2010, 02:51 PM   #69
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Marc has said it all.

The German grades match the USAF grades. Don't forget, all German Air Force and Navy jet pilots are trained at Sheppard AFB/Texas according to USAF regulations.
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Old 09-13-2010, 04:59 PM   #70
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Nice Luftwaffe wings on US Ebay:


http://cgi.ebay.de/4-COLD-WAR-LUFTWA...item483c46e363


http://cgi.ebay.de/4-COLD-WAR-LUFTWA...item483c46dfcd


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Old 09-16-2010, 12:00 AM   #71
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Is this badge OK to put on a Luftwaffe Oberst's "smoking jacket"?



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Old 09-16-2010, 06:42 AM   #72
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What are the dimensions?
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Old 09-16-2010, 08:22 AM   #73
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Ramjet,

An interesting question. I have two uniforms from the same Lufwaffe Major. His service uniform and his smoking jacket. I bought both from him at the same time while he was serving in the U.S. He wears Raketen -und Flugkorper personal badges. Both badges are bullion and of the same size. Approximately 3 inches long.

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Old 09-16-2010, 10:16 AM   #74
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Gordon, the flight crew wings changed from large to small in the 90s (? Can't remember exactly), and the smaller ones are preferred for the smoking jackets since then ... that's why I asked.

The Tätigkeitsabzeichen for all other personnel is only in one size since decades, so Your Major had no chance to choose.

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Old 09-16-2010, 12:05 PM   #75
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Marc has said it all.

The German grades match the USAF grades. Don't forget, all German Air Force and Navy jet pilots are trained at Sheppard AFB/Texas according to USAF regulations.
Thanks for the information. Many years ago, USAF changed its criteria for the higher levels of wing due to the reduced flying hours available during the 80s/90s. As result, second qualifier was added based upon years of aviation service.

Current USAF requirements:
Basic Pilot: completion of pilot training

Senior Pilot -- 7 years aviation service OR 2000 flight hours OR 1300 flight hours as instructor.

Command Pilot -- 15 years aviation service OR 3000 flight hours OR 2300 flight hours as an instructor OR 144 months (12 years) operational flying duty (OFDA)

The US Army is very similar with the 3 grades with the senior wings requireing 7 years aviation service or 1500 flight hours.
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