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Old 10-11-2018, 07:47 AM   #1
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Hi, please opinion about this cap. He has a chances to be good ?
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Old 10-11-2018, 09:03 AM   #4
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A reproduction IMO.
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Old 10-11-2018, 11:07 AM   #5
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I agree, stamps are not good.

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Old 10-11-2018, 12:46 PM   #6
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thank you very much
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Old 10-11-2018, 12:51 PM   #7
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Question= If you disregard the stamps, which I agree do not look the part, would you be able to tell this is not a period original. The exterior is scary good looking.
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Old 10-11-2018, 05:51 PM   #8
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I agree this is a VERY nice looking cap and even has the lining hand stitched. That being said, if a tailor can make it thus in 1914, so can one in 2018.

If this were an Austrian cap I could offer an opinion.

So this is a teachable moment...if you believe this is a fake cap, please explain why in detail. This is not my area of expertise so please educate me.

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Old 10-11-2018, 06:21 PM   #9
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These cap appears to have artificial aging. The few shown images do not offer good views of the details, but from what I can see the cap appears to have superficial dirt. The upper cockade has red paint or muck applied and I cannot tell if the same was done to the lower cockade. The exterior looks slightly dirty but no signs of wear.
The black wool band in the rear shows a graininess I do not expect. The piping above the back joining seam is poorly done and I don't expect that at all. In my opinion the cap just does not look original and based on the limited photos I would not want it in my collection. Would we expect to see a size stamp or manufacturer on an early piece?
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Old 10-12-2018, 03:09 AM   #10
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Hello,

Here is pictures of my 2 LHR mütze









As you can see, the colours of pipings are not the same; yours mütze isn't from 2 LHR but from the 1 LHR .....



The stamps are wrong and differents from a good one.
I thing it's a good quality copy.....but copy! with a mistake

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Old 10-12-2018, 03:18 AM   #11
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So a big mistake that no one has seen it! Except La Mitraille...

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Old 10-12-2018, 04:13 AM   #12
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La Mitraille...
Yes

Strange how they can get so much right but then slip up so badly. Still with correct stamping, it is a very convincing copy. Who would go to so much trouble to make it? It is not like producing 10000 fake EKs, this is much more work and I have not seen these in huge numbers being sold on ebay or some such.
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:41 AM   #13
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I have seen some other high end fakes with stamping errors and I have been thinking that this is done on purpose. The information in easily available to stamp correctly so I see no other reason other than the target market for the fake is the uneducated collector.

Here is an example: An Austrian regulation enlisted cap recently sold for over $1000 from a dealer. The cap looked good in all respects and even the stamps were convincing. The only problem? It has a number 5 for the size stamp when actually only size 1-4 were used.

The research required to make such a good fake would have certainly revealed the size numbering system.

I can't imagine why someone would put a big WARNING sign on something that they plan to cheat people with, but I can think of no other reason for these stamping errors that pop up now and again.
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Old 10-12-2018, 07:34 PM   #14
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Whether it is TR or Imperial cloth items, the quickest giveaway are the markings. Nearly impossible to fake correctly. Contrived aging is the next element. Insignia and fabric. But yes, the cap at the start of this thread was nicely done. I always start with the markings and believe in the "where there is smoke, there is fire".

Brian, I see folks buying TR fakes with bad markings all the time. They don't have to make the markings perfect to fool many collectors. We see it all the time with SS camo and Panzer wraps, for example.
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Hello,

Here is pictures of my 2 LHR mütze









As you can see, the colours of pipings are not the same; yours mütze isn't from 2 LHR but from the 1 LHR .....



The stamps are wrong and differents from a good one.
I thing it's a good quality copy.....but copy! with a mistake

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Nice example!
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