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Old 02-13-2020, 12:45 PM   #16
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Is that a breast eagle? Is there a cockade? I have no problem with the Italian lining and the wool looks OK but Luftwaffe caps are typically well marked with RBNrs, dates and sometimes even the month of manufacture. I don't hate your cap but I have suspicions.
Classical LW Cap eagle + cockade machine sewn on .
Yes , more of the period caps are marked with RBNr and dated but not all of them !
Even without any stamping at all , also ...
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Old 02-13-2020, 12:46 PM   #17
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This seems to be your cap?
Yes , this is my cap !
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Old 02-13-2020, 01:21 PM   #18
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LennyW once posted some of this bogus size stamps found on Winkler fake caps and it seems to be a pretty good match when comparing it with the stamp seen on this hat so i guess Winkler was the source.
The stamp is not the same ...look at the 7 how it is made ?
A lot thinner if you want to compare them !
So a simple stamp will make a whole cap repro ? A bit easy for me ...
I'm not a fan of Winkler and don't know by heart what he produced of course , but having only a size stamp on a cap which looks like a "well known" repro cap doesn't make it dismissed ...
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Old 02-14-2020, 05:39 AM   #19
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I am not myself a fan of this style of size stamp ; I agree that many fakes features those #57. On the other hand, it is true that the stuff made at the end of the war does not necessarily have all the markings. I've owned a fliegerbluse without LBA stamp.
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Old 02-14-2020, 01:15 PM   #20
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The stamp is not the same ...look at the 7 how it is made ?
A lot thinner if you want to compare them !
So a simple stamp will make a whole cap repro ? A bit easy for me ...
I'm not a fan of Winkler and don't know by heart what he produced of course , but having only a size stamp on a cap which looks like a "well known" repro cap doesn't make it dismissed ...
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The stamps will very depending on how much pressure and ink was used. A few more examples on reproduction caps.
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Old 02-15-2020, 01:24 PM   #21
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I know that the result of a stamping could vary but the Winkler evident repro caps you are showing do have all of them a blurry stamping , not so precise as the one
on the LW cap presented ?
Why a "bogus" stamping as it's a totally classical size stamping , observed so many times in other caps and in other sizes ? with or without manufacturer , as on Winkler cap for one of them presented ? A blurry stamp again .
I don't have picture ready archives but i took the time to open my boxes and took some pics of stamping , sizes in the same style , or exactly the same but not from Winkler ...almost all of them , if not all of them are well stamped .not blurry ...
Sorry for the quality but it's already night in Europe !
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Old 02-17-2020, 10:43 AM   #22
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Luftwaffe stamp vs known fake stamps.

Like Lenny pointed out:
One must Keep in mind that the lining material and the pressure and/or how much ink is used will make the look of the stamp different.

The angle how the size stamp is photographed might let them look different as well - the 57 stamp on the ribbed Cotton lining is not straight photographed - the pic is taken in a slight angle - the stamp is looking a bit different now.

The stamp on the purple lining WH cap is taken in the same angle like the one seen on the M43 cap.
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Old 02-24-2020, 06:30 AM   #23
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Based on these 3 stamps of sizes pics , it's for me evident that it's not the same which has been used in these 3 caps ...
Look first at the flat silk lining stamping : the upper bar of the 7 is totally different ,
wider and shorter ? For example ...
Look at the 5 on the cotton based lining on the left side : a much thinner one , evident on th side curve ! The upper bar is cut straight at the end as the one on the right is cut crooked ? For example ...
It's not only a question of stamping on different cloth or ink , it's a question of stamp itself !
So : saying a cap is a modern fake regarding only the exact same stamping as "known fake examples"and that Winkler sold the same cap , or about the same 15 years ago is a bit easy explanation ...
Easy as to let make a stamp by your local Drugstore in Germany 15 years ago ,
having a perfect model in your hands in case of !
I didn't know the story of the LW M43 caps Horde coming from a Flak Bunker in Germany and then sold by Winkler or Weitze but why not ?
You already had , even seen on this forum , many caps of the exact same manufacturer in mint condition as so many came out during the last 50 years on the collector market from Hordes ? LW , WSS , KM ...
So why not this LW one in particular , i also have in my boxes for 25 years ?
I don't have the right answer until now !
Buy the facts , not the stories ...
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Another example this time with rb #
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Buy the facts , not the stories ...
Exactly.

Lot's of facts in this Topic. At the end each collector must decide if he will buy a cap like this or stick to another example. I for myself do not care for the thread starter example. Opinions might differ like always.
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Old 02-26-2020, 11:49 AM   #26
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Another example this time with rb #
Yes , exactly the same stamping as on the 2 x markings on the left+center stamps ,
same comments ...
But definitively not the one on the right side which is the cap's stamping which started this thread ?
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