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Old 05-13-2017, 06:53 PM   #46
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Transferable? If so I'm jealous.

Always wanted one but the prices are so high now that I would be afraid to fire it.
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Old 05-14-2017, 02:21 AM   #47
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Transferable? If so I'm jealous.

Always wanted one but the prices are so high now that I would be afraid to fire it.
No it says it is in Canada. So even if it is still working they are not allowed to shoot it.
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Old 03-18-2018, 03:03 AM   #48
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Is this a real one?

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=6892411
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Old 03-18-2018, 06:12 AM   #49
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Very interesting. If it is real it gives credence to the idea that not all sturmgewehr zf4 rails were spot welded the same way. Although from the photos itís hard to see if the corrosion on the rail matches the rest of the receiver. But if it does, I think it would be hard to fake this relic condition on the receiver and rail. Would love to hear other thoughts.
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Old 03-18-2018, 06:41 AM   #50
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Also, something else I found related to my MP43/1 with ZF4 rail shown earlier in this thread. I received some comments that it was suspect because the rail was blued with the receiver while other known sturmgewehr rails were in the white. On display at the Wehrtechnische Studiensammlung in Koblenz, Germany, is an early MP43/1 with rail that is attached to a kummlauf in near mint condition. Although the rail is of different design, it is obviously blued with rifle. Could this also be a trial rifle? The great condition of the rifle and finish is very similar to my rifle and obviously was not issued.
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Old 03-18-2018, 11:39 AM   #51
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Very interesting. If it is real it gives credence to the idea that not all sturmgewehr zf4 rails were spot welded the same way. Although from the photos itís hard to see if the corrosion on the rail matches the rest of the receiver. But if it does, I think it would be hard to fake this relic condition on the receiver and rail. Would love to hear other thoughts.
My thoughts are that if the seeker bough any of these in better condition even if recent manufacture they would lose money doing this to them.
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Old 03-18-2018, 06:36 PM   #52
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My thoughts are that if the seeker bough any of these in better condition even if recent manufacture they would lose money doing this to them.
I agree. But to me this also looks looks like a genuine relic and some evidence of zf4 mount that is unconventional. Maybe field made to mount Vampir night vision? Very cool artifact.
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Old 03-18-2018, 10:52 PM   #53
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Thanks for your informative post.I have a MP43 , old spec in my den-I'm going to check the serial numbers ,cant remember if there's any behind the front sight.
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Old 03-19-2018, 05:35 AM   #54
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I agree. But to me this also looks looks like a genuine relic and some evidence of zf4 mount that is unconventional. Maybe field made to mount Vampir night vision? Very cool artifact.
It looks riveted or plug welded down the centre.
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Old 03-19-2018, 05:45 PM   #55
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Is there a chance this could be faked? Adding a rail to a relic receiver?
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:38 PM   #56
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I believe it to be a fake, made the same way you suggested. The rail and the welds are almost entirely without pitting, while the receiver is very pitted.
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I believe it to be a fake, made the same way you suggested. The rail and the welds are almost entirely without pitting, while the receiver is very pitted.
That is a good way for the seller to end up with less money than he started with.
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Old 10-20-2018, 03:53 PM   #58
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Really great photos of some very nice and particularly interesting firearms Sen24 - thanks for posting.

The late war variants are very interesting -
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Old 10-26-2018, 05:57 AM   #59
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Mine is not nearly as nice as yours, but I can take some pics etc later on. It's a live one, been in the UK at some point based on proofs and has been reblued. Luckily the price was decent


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How did it manage to stay live in the uk, unless it is single shot.

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Old 10-28-2018, 10:53 AM   #60
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As for the relic shown a few posts above, this is a fake with mount welded on rusted receiver, then aged. As for the MP 43/1 being the matter of this thread I cannot say if it is actually one of the trial guns, but I cannot rule it out. However, the scope is a fake. It is a #73 scope, thus a late 44 scope and the last trial run was held much longer before. So forget about the scope. There are 4 known real MP44 scopes. I have one, a friend has another, a third is in the USA with a renowned collector, the 4t has been sold a few years back on ebay. Mine has been found in Potsdam, with postwar hunting mount added, which I took off. It can be seen on the espeholt website.

The gun is really interesting. All trial guns have been used in the endfightings for Berlin in April/may 1945
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