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Old 05-07-2017, 02:17 AM   #61
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I do hope they return it to its rightful home

Its a stunning memorial to WW2

I love visiting these in their natural habitat as it were
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Old 05-07-2017, 03:53 AM   #62
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Maybe, some more interior photos please?
On the pics I have we see only detritus and filth. We'll see once the interior is cleaned to see what is really left inside, but suspect were little. The gearbox area seems destroyed by the explosion of a change while still upside down in the river (probably to get access to the interior).

The city of Houffalize and some local historians would like to identify the names of the crew, to have their names displayed and remembered on the new site once the Panther is restored and back in place. It seems that they all died trapped inside, some think that by cold or starvation, others due to the fall, others think they died drowned...

Anyway there is no trace of their bodies today. Does anybody know more about the Panther history and its crew?

I know Mr Wolvens mentioned that during his souvenir hunting "raids" in 1946-47 he found small foot bones still inside... Is their grave known somewhere?
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Old 05-09-2017, 02:13 AM   #63
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I think it's great they are doing something for that Panther. It sure deserves it and does the crew who died inside it.
The way I've always understood the story of Panther 111 is that the concussion blast from a bombing raid blew it off the bridge on to its turret. It's not that high off the bridge and the water too shallow to drown the entire crew. The concussion could have certainly killed the crew outright or in conjunction with the fall, but there is a good possibility that one or more of the crew could have survived and died from the elements or by starvation having been entombed inside the tank. A pretty grim thought.
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Old 05-09-2017, 02:25 AM   #64
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Panther where she fell...
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Old 05-09-2017, 02:58 AM   #65
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The remains of the crew were recovered when the Panther was removed from the river, around 1947. I suspect the rush to souvenir or sell for scrap items from the interior may have begun before then.
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Old 05-09-2017, 04:24 AM   #66
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What happened to the bodies is not known. I am now in contact with a local enthusiast who was a child back then in 1945. From the few local testimonies (the village was pretty much deserted, the angloamerican bombings destroyed 95% of the city) it seems that the Panther fell into the river when trying to cross the very damaged but still standing bridge. A testimony mentions also that the 15th or 16th of January 1945 a badly wounded german soldier was taken to a notary house very close to the bridge but died of his wounds soon afterwards. They assumed back then he was one of the Panther's crew members. But nobody knows really. From some testimonies, the river ran high when that happened. Therefore it seems very unlikely that a crew member could have escaped and not the others.
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Old 05-09-2017, 04:38 AM   #67
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Early 1945



Later (1945?)





1947

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Old 05-09-2017, 04:38 AM   #68
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If you look closely at that picture, there is someone looking through the hole in the underside



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Old 05-09-2017, 04:43 AM   #69
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Yes, and that means that very soon after the battle an access was made so the bodies were accessible.
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Old 05-09-2017, 09:01 AM   #70
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I just noticed that. Maybe an attempt to rescue the crew?
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Old 05-09-2017, 09:21 AM   #71
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I hope this will be done to leave it as close as posible as it was during wartime and something will be made to improve the display area to prevent that the weather take its toll from it.

Also if the names of the crew is know will be nice to add a small plaque that explain the wartime and fate of those he lost their life in it.

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Old 05-09-2017, 09:35 AM   #72
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Thanks for sharing all these photos.
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PANTHER V Ausf G HOUFFALIZE BELGIUM REMOVED
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Default PANTHER V Ausf G HOUFFALIZE BELGIUM REMOVED

Last week the tank was removed for restauration at the Bastogne barracks and will return on completion.

PANTHER V (10).jpg

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PANTHER V (5).jpg

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Old 05-09-2017, 02:16 PM   #75
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Are they planning to full restoration or just the exterior? if full to running condition?

If only the exterior are they going to complete the running train and the tracks?

Thanks to all and waiting for any update

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