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Old 07-12-2018, 01:18 PM   #1
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I think that this is my first time to post on this forum. I am hoping to find some information on a few items that belong to a close friend of mine, who inherited these from his father. I think that the relic gun might be from the civil war, but I'm just not sure. I would also like to know a little about the two swords here, if anyone can please help me. I apologize for my ignorance here, but German SS regalia is all that I know anything about. I do know that his father did have lots of known civil war relics, such as "US" belt buckles, bullets, cannon balls, bayonets, and many other brass items, as he searched the battlefields for many years and loved civil war relics.


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Old 07-12-2018, 01:20 PM   #2
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:27 PM   #3
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I will have to put "appears" in front of most everything due to lack of markings, but the thin blade sword appears to be an 1840 NCO sword, and commonly called a "Musicians" sword. The saber with the wide blade appears to be French, but again with no markings hard to tell if real or aged repro.

The rifle appears to be a Model 1873 Springfield Trapdoor carbine, missing several important parts.
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:23 PM   #4
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Thank you for this information! It is much appreciated!

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Old 07-13-2018, 10:58 AM   #5
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I believe the Trapdoor is actually a rifle or carbine that has had the forestock cut down. Overall length will help make a final determination, but it appears to be a rifle to me.

I agree ref the sword.

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Old 07-13-2018, 12:28 PM   #6
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Thanks again guys, this info was very helpful.

He was very happy to get the information.

Best wishes,

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Old 07-13-2018, 09:26 PM   #7
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The 1873 Trapdoor rifle had a sling swivel as part of the trigger guard, where the Trapdoor carbine had a bar on the left side of the stock to snap a sling swivel into.

What does the left side look like?
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I will look at it again as soon as possible and I will check these features to see which type it is.
It may take me a couple of days. Thanks again!

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Old 07-17-2018, 06:49 PM   #9
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Well guys, I checked the gun again and it does not have either of the features mentioned. The other side is the same, (no place for a sling in the wood stock, nor on the trigger guard).
Anyway, just wanted to let you know. Thanks!

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Chris,

You might also want to measure the overall length of the gun and the barrel length.

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Old 07-18-2018, 07:57 AM   #11
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If the front of the stock has a channel for the cleaning rod it is a cut down rifle stock. The butt plate for the carbine will have a sliding cover where the jointed cleaning rod can be stored in the butt of the stock.

Photo angle can make the barrel hard to judge as to length.
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I will take some measurements and check the cleaning rod, etc., as time permits.

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