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Old 09-18-2019, 12:16 PM   #1
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Default Pockets on WSS tunic

I wonder about the pockets of this tunic - are this different common on "late war tunics"?
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Old 09-18-2019, 12:58 PM   #2
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I wonder about everything on this tunic.
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Old 09-18-2019, 01:08 PM   #3
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Not only you Tunic itself is good, but total restored. Who know what this was when it was made, maybe Netherland....maybe XYZ. But the Dealer clearly write that the Tunic is complete restored. Here is the Link:

http://www.military-antiques-stockho...oducts_id=6279



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Old 09-18-2019, 02:04 PM   #4
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When I look at the tunic it looks like the insignias on the arm are sewn too high …?
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Old 09-18-2019, 02:34 PM   #5
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Uniforms were recycled for repair to extend their use.
May even be a shadow of a cuff title there.
Will need a hands on inspection.
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Old 09-18-2019, 06:59 PM   #6
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agree hand inspection
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Old 09-20-2019, 04:14 PM   #7
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Hi guys, im a bit confused about the comments.
First question, clear and simple. IMO yes fairly common to see different cloth types used on later war produced SS tunics.

Everything is in the sale description. Totally restored tunic, clear ghost shade from previous cuff title. The shade is also photographed.

The seller thought the tunic was untouched and was originally bought from another well known dealer. Good restoration job but far from perfect which we detected.
Told the seller and described in the description.

”Hand inspection” What needs a hand inspection?
”I wonder about everything about the tunic” What???

Just to put it simple. Original ss tunic, original insignias. Restored to the tunic. Cuff title missing. Clear signs of previous one.
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Old 09-20-2019, 04:40 PM   #8
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Mismatched pockets and or flaps are for sure known as are sleeves and panels. It should also be considered that when new the mismatched pieces probably looked very close to the body in color but the two fabrics faded at different rates. The color under the title bears this comment out to some degree.
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:28 PM   #9
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Sorry, but those pockets are not original to this tunic. On the pictures of the lining you can clearly see where the previous seams of the original pockets ran. The buttonholes are completely different from those on the button tab of the tunic, they don't even look like they were made with a proper machine. The fabric of the pockets also doesn't look like original italian wool, judging by the weave, it looks like reproduction wool. Yes, producers very rarely made wool uniforms from different wool shades, but they never had such a stark contrast and they were never made from two completely different fabrics. So I'm 99% sure that those pockets are restored.
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:42 PM   #10
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Good point to say just because this practice was done wartime does not mean this example is one of those originally made this way. I could not tell for sure a few days ago when I checked the photos on the site as I only a phone
To view them.

I think it would be easy to say in person buy comparing thread, traces of previous sewing lines, button holes and comparing pocket flap backing to lining.

I also agree that wool weave is different but I have seen variations within this so-called Italian wool or nettle cloth, I’m not convinced all of this dark green rough wool cloth was even Italian in origin, but even if it was I bet variations existed
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I don't have a problem with the dealer's description which seems fair enough but I don't think there's a lot of evidence that this combination of insignia was worn much if at all. IMHO, if the tunic is original then this is worth the sum of it's parts, and not more.
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Good point to say just because this practice was done wartime does not mean this example is one of those originally made this way. I could not tell for sure a few days ago when I checked the photos on the site as I only a phone
To view them.

I think it would be easy to say in person buy comparing thread, traces of previous sewing lines, button holes and comparing pocket flap backing to lining.

I also agree that wool weave is different but I have seen variations within this so-called Italian wool or nettle cloth, I’m not convinced all of this dark green rough wool cloth was even Italian in origin, but even if it was I bet variations existed
Here is the picture showing previous stitching lines.
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After I have read your opinions - could this tunic be 75 % original and 25 % something else? I wonder why the pockets are replaced (yesterday or 1945...) - the tunic is in good condition.


Very interesting input about the pockets and the seams inside- Devils really are in the details.
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The Tunic is without a Doubt original, but complete restored, Pockets added, who knows when and that is End of Story for this Piece. All you can do is look what cost a SS Tunic in bad shape plus the Effects and then you see if the Price is good or not, more this Thing is not worth.

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After I have read your opinions - could this tunic be 75 % original and 25 % something else? I wonder why the pockets are replaced (yesterday or 1945...) - the tunic is in good condition.


Very interesting input about the pockets and the seams inside- Devils really are in the details.
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With the risk of being jerky - I've seen this jacket before
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The tunic has been för sale before on Spandaumilitaryshop.com :

"LATE WAR WAFFEN-SS M.43 FIELD TUNIC
VERY GOOD AND RARE LATE WAR WSS N.C.O. TUNIC CIRCA LATE 44, EARLY 45. MOST PROBABLY CAMP MADE. USING TWO DIFFERENT RUNS OF WOOLEN MATERIAL, THE POCKETS ARE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SHADE, AS IS A SMALL PATCH ADDED TO THE BOTTOM EDGE. QUITE POSSIBLY THE END OF ONE ROLL OF MATERIAL CROSSING OVER TO THE NEXT. ALL INSIGNIA FACTORY APPLIED. IRON CROSS AND EAST FRONT RIBBONS. LOOPS FOR TWO MORE AWARD TO THE BREAST POCKET. ALL THE ORIGINAL BUTTONS PRESENT AND CORRECT. SHOWS SERVICE WEAR OVERALL, NOTHING SERIOUS. NO MOTHING. RAYON HBT LINING."

I wonder how many times this poor tunic has been renovated….? Please look at the pockets. the shadow of the cuff title and the buttons - its the same tunic.
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