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Old 10-21-2006, 01:17 PM   #1
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Another recent purchase, this is the 1919 - 1921 War of independence Medal. I think this medal may have been damaged as the suspension ring appears to have been soldered. The reverse of the ribbon looks as it was re-stitched.
Any here is the medal,

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Old 10-21-2006, 01:19 PM   #2
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A close up of the medal, you can see the solder (at least that what it looks like) around the suspension ring. I don't know much about the construction of these medals, is the solder normal? Any comments appreciated.

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Old 10-21-2006, 01:22 PM   #3
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Reverse to the medal,


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Old 10-21-2006, 10:21 PM   #4
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Are you sure it's for the 1919-21 war? I think it's for the easter revolt of 1916.
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Old 10-22-2006, 03:20 AM   #5
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Are you sure it's for the 1919-21 war? I think it's for the easter revolt of 1916.
The 1916 rising medal has the warrior CuChullain on the obverse, the medal also resembles an 8 pointed star. On the reverse of the 1916 medal it has the inscription Seactmain Na Gasga 1916, meaning eater week 1916.

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hmmmm
Old 10-23-2006, 10:10 AM   #6
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There are repros of these about. Mine is not as light as yours, but it may be that someone just cleaned it aggresively. What's the exact weight?
I did a search on "Tan war medal", but there was a thread on these MANY years ago that ponted out some of the fakers/reproducers characteristics.
Prosper Keating had seen them from Australia.
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Old 10-23-2006, 07:02 PM   #7
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yes you have to be very very carful of these as they are now heavly faked as there are now highly sort after!!!!!
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:27 AM   #8
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Thanks for the heads up, I'll weigh the medal when I get home on the weekend. Any idea what it sould weigh?

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There are repros of these about. Mine is not as light as yours, but it may be that someone just cleaned it aggresively. What's the exact weight?
I did a search on "Tan war medal", but there was a thread on these MANY years ago that ponted out some of the fakers/reproducers characteristics.
Prosper Keating had seen them from Australia.
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Old 10-25-2006, 01:07 AM   #9
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Yours looks to be genuine, but heavily cleaned. You often find the solder on the suspension, the quality of manufacture of a lot of these leaves something to be desired. This is the non-combatant version of the medal.
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Old 10-25-2006, 02:18 AM   #10
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Cheers Murphy,

I wasn't impressed by the workmanship on the emergency period medals either, this medal is no different really. As you don't get to see too many of these its hard to build up a good database and know what you are looking at.

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Old 10-25-2006, 08:36 AM   #11
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well, up to @1990 only about 48,000 issued, so not bad.
If Pmurphy above says it's true, i think you can take it to the bank.
41mm diameter?
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:17 AM   #12
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On a slightly different note, did anybody see the 1916 collection for sale on ebay?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1
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Old 10-26-2006, 10:03 AM   #13
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This is a very nice group. I am trying to decide whether or not I should join the bidding. It will be interesting to see what price it goes for.
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Old 12-23-2006, 06:54 AM   #14
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Hi Mark & All...

I love these medals! I have been 'lurking' around here for the past eight months or so and although I have used the estand a lot, I never actually knew that I could post replies!

So for my first post, I thought I would show my collections centre-piece. It is a family grouping consisting of a cased War of Independance medal... the same as yours except that this is the 'combat' version with the comrac bar. Also with it are a military pension document dated 1938, and a hand embroidered memorial made by comrades who were interned at the time of the recipients death.



The medal and pension document belonged to my fathers uncle, Anthony Francis Duignan, who saw active service with the Irish Volunteers who in 1919 became ”glaigh na h…ireann (Irish Republican Army). As can be seen on the pension document he served through the Irish War of Independence (1919-1921). I have a newspaper cutting of his obituary from 1942 in which it states 'In the fight for Irish freedom the deceased took a leading part, and the hardships he underwent in that memorable struggle impaired his health and brought a promising career to a premature close."







When he died in 1942, his family were presented with an embroidered memorial made by some of his former comrades who were at the time interned as the government of the time took a very hard line on IRA members during the second world war as the IRA had launched an armed campaign in Northern Ireland and had hoped for support (arms/ ammunition/ explosives / money etc.) from Germany to strike against the British.

I am still in the process of researching more information about him and his activities but unfortunately my father passed away last year and there is no one else around who can remember any details. I intend to search through military records in the National Military Archives in Dublin when I get a chance.

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Hope you all like them!
Regards - Danny

P.S. Did you see this one on ebay... CRAZY price!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...8417&rd=1&rd=1
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Old 12-23-2006, 07:11 AM   #15
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Were these medals cast (the first one illustrated looks as if it is), & were the recipients details etched or stamped on the reverse?

I've seen illustrations of these in the past but nothing close up.
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