Heer "Mouse Grey" wraps

[OSS]

I recently found this small photo of a young Panzermann wearing the mouse gray wrapper:

[slade007]

That is a nice close up open collar photo. Shows the collar hook detail well that you don't see often in period photos. TK tabs worn with no SB provisions either. Thanks for posting it OSS.

[derka]

This one recently sold on ebay, i think it is a mouse gray set.



derka

[derka]

from #171

Originally Posted by derka

You are absolutly right Jim, removal of the pocket is almost unoiticeable even having it in hands.
This modification (breast pocket removal) was often period obseved, but i don't know why.
Maybe just esthetical purpose, for the sharper look of the wrap without it, otherwise, you look "fat" and less sexy?
Or because this pocket was not realy used (looks empty on most period pics), or because not practical to move inside an armored vehicle if it is fulled, and to avoid to catch inside if emergency evacuation needed ?
Just hypothesis.
derka

An illustration of this particular modification; one of the rare period pic clearly showing (imo) the breast pocket removal on this mouse gray wrap :



I don't think the visible remaining of stiching rows could be for the internal breast pocket of a first pattern wrap, compare with pic in #35 : no reason to have an horizontal stich here at the top of the pocket.
It looks too the opening under sleeve's departure could have been seewn.
This officer is probably an instructor in a school considering its shoulder boards, notice the eagle used too...

And those two from ebay,
first pattern hbt sets worn by a pz III crew, with wrap tucked in trousers, and special grade insignias on left sleeve (the 2 men on the right) :



And Panther crew :



derka

[Daniel.S]

Nice to see that Em latewar eagle in wear together with officer insignia....cool picture.

[djpool]

Awesome picture. The removed stitching is identical to my grey green example with removed pocket.Jim

Originally Posted by derka

from #171


An illustration of this particular modification; one of the rare period pic clearly showing (imo) the breast pocket removal on this mouse gray wrap :




derka

[derka]

After a close look, the tank on last pic above is not a Panther, but most likely a Pz IV considering its cupola design :

[derka]

This one is interesting as it shows "true" 1st pattern hbt suits, with the internal breast pocket full with stuff (for the 2 two men in center).



Men to the right and left wore special NCO sleeve's grade insignias, no colar tabs or shoulder straps as per regulation.
As they all wear black headgear, probably not members of a stug unit.

derka

[OSS]

Originally Posted by derka

This one is interesting as it shows "true" 1st pattern hbt suits, with the internal breast pocket full with stuff (for the 2 two men in center).



Men to the right and left wore special NCO sleeve's grade insignias, no colar tabs or shoulder straps as per regulation.
As they all wear black headgear, probably not members of a stug unit.

derka

Great photo derka as always! I also wonder why black headgear is being worn by a Stug crew; possibly they are in a Pz. Rgt. in a Pz. or Pz. Gren. Div. where Stugs are being substituted for tanks (as occasionally happened).

[derka]

Recently sold on ebay, this one shows, among many interesting details, a rare color wiew of the full set of first pattern hbt suit (feldwebel in center) :



And difficult to say for sure, the man in background MAY wears the green variant of the denim 2nd pattern wrap :



derka

[Glenn McInnes]

Originally Posted by derka

with the internal breast pocket full with stuff (for the 2 two men in center).

Great photos,looks like a fat container in the front pocket of the soldier second from the left.








Glenn

[NickG]

the one in the color picture appears to be standard field-gray wool.
Neat images otherwise!
That officer one (wearing a French belt) is killer

[derka]

Originally Posted by NickG

the one in the color picture appears to be standard field-gray wool.

I don't think so, for instance you can observe the hip vertical slit (red arrow) behind the front flapped pocket of HBT specific trousers, allowing access under, wich doesnt exist on wool trousers.



The difference of material HBT/wool is also clear on this pic imo.

derka

[OSS]

Agree, HBT.

[Gran Sasso]

Originally Posted by Glenn McInnes

Great photos,looks like a fat container in the front pocket of the soldier second from the left.

Glenn

Or Schoka-Cola