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Old 08-05-2007, 03:26 AM   #1
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This is an item I picked up some time ago from an old German Collection. It was awarded to Alois Huedopisk on 21.12.42. Huedopisk was born in Graz/ Austria and was Unteroffizier Geschuetzfuehrer 2nd Battery, Flak Regtiment 38.

This item is also shown on p2470 in Joerg Nimmergut's book "Deutscher Orden und Ehrenzeichen" vol. IV.

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Old 08-05-2007, 03:27 AM   #2
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Maker's mark.

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Old 08-05-2007, 04:05 AM   #3
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Stan,

beautiful example!

I saw one for sale at regimentals, since the award is so rare I always wondered why they didn't priced it according to its rarity.

If I may ask, do you have the award document also?

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Old 08-05-2007, 04:20 AM   #4
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I can not comment on this one as I do not know enough about them, but what concerned me 5 or 6 years ago was the amount of these Salvers on the market!!!

Suddenly the popped up, I know someone who has 6 but I was not so convinced by them.

I hope your's is one of the good ones Stan.

I do not know currently of a list of holders for this award!

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Old 08-05-2007, 04:34 AM   #5
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Hi Ian,

yes that was what I also thought. There were only 50 awarded (source - Detlev price guide) and I saw a lot on the market the last couple of years also.

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Old 08-06-2007, 05:21 AM   #6
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I do not know currently of a list of holders for this award!

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Ian,

Actually a list does exist in a German reference book. I received a small amount of research material with the Salver which included two photocopies of pages from the book which refer to Huedopisk.

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Old 08-06-2007, 05:22 AM   #7
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Second page.

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Old 08-06-2007, 02:56 PM   #8
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Hi Stan,

that's interesting, in which reference book was this published?

Your Salver looks very very nice!

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Old 08-07-2007, 02:22 AM   #9
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Hi Stan,

that's interesting, in which reference book was this published?

Your Salver looks very very nice!

Jeroen

Jeroen,

Sadly, I have no idea which reference book contained this info.

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Old 08-10-2007, 10:38 PM   #10
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Stan,

It is unfortunate that such a rare piece is so misunderstood. I believe the lack of excitement is that most collectors will never see a Luftwaffe Salvor of Honor. I had posted one to a Fallschirmjaeger on the FJ forum and finally pulled the photos for lack of interest.

Finally, is yours weakly attractive to a very strong magnet?

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Old 08-11-2007, 03:51 AM   #11
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Stan,

It is unfortunate that such a rare piece is so misunderstood. I believe the lack of excitement is that most collectors will never see a Luftwaffe Salvor of Honor. I had posted one to a Fallschirmjaeger on the FJ forum and finally pulled the photos for lack of interest.

Finally, is yours weakly attractive to a very strong magnet?

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Bob, I think the Salvor is an exciting piece, and very rare. I'm more concerned about the amount of fakes on the market. I have no clue how many there are and how good they have become.

The award document is the most rare, up to now I have seen it only twice. One of them is in a group for sale at Kai Winkler and it has been there for a long time now. Consedering the fact that there are not more than 50 of these documents, its amazing to see it in a group.

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Old 08-11-2007, 06:44 PM   #12
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Hi Stan,

(Editing my original message.)

I may see some differences between the makermark on yours and a known good one in my archives. On yours, the Wagner name seems cut very deeply, with the letters in Wagner 'fatter'. The edges of the letters seem to 'stick out', compared with the surface of the plate. On mine, the edges of the Wagner name seem smoother and more flush with the plate. HOWEVER, this may all merely be due to lighting and lens angles. This is pretty detailed stuff and these may be acceptable variations. Your Salver may well be 100%.

As I recall, there was a way to identify originals, based on stamping vs. engraving, particularly in the name on the plate. It's been a while, but I am pretty sure that the makermark was stamped, and the name and rank individually engraved.

Any chance you can provide a close-up of the name and rank?

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Old 08-12-2007, 01:04 AM   #13
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I have little expertise on salvers, but I really have to question the validity of a statement that only 50 were awarded. This was the non flight troops award from Goering. The thousands of awards of the goblet would lead me to believe there are far more than 50 salevers awarded.

That being said, I have photos of 2 hqallmarks from salvers dated over a year apart.

This photo is from the salver named to Hauptmann Hugo Paul dated 1-3-43 (1 March 1943).

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Old 08-12-2007, 01:07 AM   #14
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This hallmark is from the salver of Oblt Hans George Lehmann dated 12-10-44 (12 October 1944)

This salever was acid tested for silver, not by me, and the finish is damaged, as can be seen around the hallmark.

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Old 08-12-2007, 03:44 AM   #15
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I have little expertise on salvers, but I really have to question the validity of a statement that only 50 were awarded. This was the non flight troops award from Goering. The thousands of awards of the goblet would lead me to believe there are far more than 50 salevers awarded.

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Bob,

I used Detlev's priceguide (2004) as a source. He mentiones 50 recorded awards. That reflects the price, 10.000 euro for the salver and 5000 euro for the award document.

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