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Old 06-17-2019, 02:59 PM   #16
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He had a couple light weight tunics that he told me himself were restored. One was for a Nebelwerfer officer the other I don't remember well .He had a lot of tunics.
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Old 06-17-2019, 03:21 PM   #17
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He had a couple light weight tunics that he told me himself were restored. One was for a Nebelwerfer officer the other I don't remember well .He had a lot of tunics.
Okay thanks, unless someone else has more certainty, it will remain a puzzle of faith and common sense I guess...,in any case the insigina match the tunic perfecly.
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Old 06-17-2019, 03:55 PM   #18
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strange sleeve eagle
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Old 06-17-2019, 04:00 PM   #19
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strange sleeve eagle
Why? IMO standard 1st pattern "dipped down" wing variant.
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Old 06-17-2019, 04:48 PM   #20
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For my money it's a Bahnschutzpolizei eagle.
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For my money it's a Bahnschutzpolizei eagle.
Interesting observation, I'm certainly no expert on these and believe there are many differences and versions.

Would you not expect a more blueish backing? Ergo, what would make this eagle more likely Bahnschutz than SS in your opinion?
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Old 06-17-2019, 06:00 PM   #22
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The Tunic is real, the Effects are absolute real, when they where put on, noone will be able to tell unless someone comes up with a Pictures from the Tunic stripped or after a handinspection. So or so, that thing is very nice.
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:23 PM   #23
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Zauberflöte,
The eagle's head on the State eagle faced to the left wing. The Party eagle to the right wing. All the period photos I have ever seen of the early SS-VT eagle show the beak pointing correctly to the right wing.
The background colour on these eagles is often messed with to obtain the increase in price an SS eagle will bring.
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For my money it's a Bahnschutzpolizei eagle.
This is in fact just what it is ...
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:19 PM   #25
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This is in fact just what it is ...
Yes it is and you can tell it wasn't the first eagle on the tunic. , why would this early drill tunic have later war pips and since the collar is modified to dark green also and the open collar retailored so obviously used later in the war. The tunic is rebadged. It is certainly a very nice tunic though . I owned one once upon a time. Notice the last button hole at the bottom of the lapel, the tunic was manufactured with a cloth loop and button at the neck that could facilitate collar closure. This is how SS drillich tunics from the 1930's early 40's were manufactured .Everything else is a private tailor creation. This one actually still had a partial SS/RZM label attached. On reviewing the first photo a few more times I am of the belief it is just a private tailored tunic not pre-war VT or it is a rebadged Kriegsmarine or other branch tunic but not SS.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:40 PM   #26
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This demonstrates how the collar on early SS tunics were closed at the neck, the SS drill tunic was manufactured with this system.
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As John points out correctly, the modifications on subject tunic are evident, besides the obvious added collar, two top buttons have been added to close garment as a regular tunic and the rear belt buttons have been removed. As before mentioned, this exact tunic has been published and all these alterations can be seen, including SS tag and size marking.

Regarding the sleeve eagle, I came across a very interesting discussion about the SS-VT vs Bahnschutz eagle:

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/ss-uni...sion-685356-7/
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To me thats a VT Bird, and sure not a Bahnschutz.
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Ok what's the next step ? Post it for sale on the estand or is it listed on someone's dealer site already ?
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To me thats a VT Bird, and sure not a Bahnschutz.
The stitching is too tight not done during the era though.
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