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Old 01-10-2019, 07:55 AM   #1
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Default Krankenträgertasche, information please

Hi guys
please can anyone tell me the meaning of the letter we can find impressed on the rear of the top of the pouch?
We can find a "K" or a "S". which are the differences?
Not to be confused with those instead indicating the different contents of the right or left pouch.
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:18 AM   #2
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K Krankenträger
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:39 AM   #3
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K Krankenträger
S Sanitäter
Thank you Gran Sasso for your information.
Please do you know which are specifically the differences between the two tasks?

Krankenträger was a man in the field attached to a unit and Sanitäter was in the hospital?

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Old 01-10-2019, 10:31 AM   #4
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Krankenträger were aids, which helped carrying the wounded.... the pouch contents were different from a Sanitäter, which was more of a medic.....

Krankenträger had bandages in their pouches, while Sani also had medicine next to bandages.....

My explanation is very much simplified, i know, but just to give you an idea....

Obviously Jan B or Grubhy who are more Sani related collectors then i am can give a more detailed explanation....

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Old 01-10-2019, 12:35 PM   #5
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Krankenträger were aids, which helped carrying the wounded.... the pouch contents were different from a Sanitäter, which was more of a medic.....

Krankenträger had bandages in their pouches, while Sani also had medicine next to bandages.....

My explanation is very much simplified, i know, but just to give you an idea....

Obviously Jan B or Grubhy who are more Sani related collectors then i am can give a more detailed explanation....

Tom
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Thank you Tom
Its very clear...
But please, just to elaborate the topic, therefore we can find:

Hilfskrankenträge, men recruited directly from the division's staff having done only a little training, wearing the waffenfarbe of the basic unit with an armlet with the writing "Hilfskrankenträger" and with no medical pouches.

Krankenträger with medical pouches marked K and wearing the cornflower-blue waffenfarbe

Nco with medical pouches marked S and wearing the cornflower-blue waffenfarbe

Medical Officer, with their specific equipment and wearing the cornflower-blue waffenfarbe.
Is it correct?

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Old 01-12-2019, 01:26 AM   #6
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Thank you Tom
Its very clear...
But please, just to elaborate the topic, therefore we can find:

Hilfskrankenträge, men recruited directly from the division's staff having done only a little training, wearing the waffenfarbe of the basic unit with an armlet with the writing "Hilfskrankenträger" and with no medical pouches.

Krankenträger with medical pouches marked K and wearing the cornflower-blue waffenfarbe

Nco with medical pouches marked S and wearing the cornflower-blue waffenfarbe

Medical Officer, with their specific equipment and wearing the cornflower-blue waffenfarbe.
Is it correct?

Marco
Hi Marco, yes, it can be difficult to distinguish the functions and insignia.

You are dealing with 4 different types of personel here:

Hilfskrankenträger; a soldier with a rudimentery and short education as a stretcher bearer at the unit (often lead by their own medical officers and Medics)- often it would be men from the Musik-zug, but it could be anyone. See photo below where the men of the musikzug of the Inf Reg 101 are training as stretche bearers.
They would wear the "Hilfskrankenträger" armband. And they would wear different waffenfarbe and most probably not kornflower blue.

Krankenträger; with more education than the men mentioned above, they attend a course outside of their unit for this.
They would wear the "krankenträger-taschen" - the two bags that you know of.
These men would wear the red-cross armband.
They can be assumed to wear different waffenfarbe, as they could be from within, for example, a headquarter and therefore wear the waffenfarbe of the unit.
If they would be serving in a medical kompagnie/abteilung as stretcher-bearers they would wear Konflower blue waffenfarbe.

Sanitäter; these men would be educated outside of the unit, practically and theoretically, and would have a 3-6 months longer education than the Krankenträger.
They would wear the bags with the "S", and they would wear the red-cross armband. They would also wear the aesculap-insignia on the sleeve.
For the waffenfarbe, they would, as company or squad medics, wear the waffenfarbe of the unit (see photo of medic with light, probably white, waffenfarbe)
As member of a medical company they would wear Kornflower-blue waffenfarbe.

Sanitätsoffiziere; they would all wear the kornflower blue waffenfarbe as they would be drafted into the medical corps no matter what.
And they would be having the special bag for medical officers.

Please let me know if the above is unclear.

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Old 01-12-2019, 05:46 AM   #7
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Many thanks Hans for your clear and exhaustive post

Ii is very difficult to find similar informations. Strangely, medical troops are little considered by the authors..

We have left one last character in this our representation... the ambulance driver.
I seem to have understood that they, as member of a medical company, would wear Kornflower-blue waffenfarbe and no specific equipment.
Is it correct?
Moreover did drivers also exist form the division's staff, not member of a medical company?

Thanks again for you great post.
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Old 01-12-2019, 06:17 AM   #8
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We have left one last character in this our representation... the ambulance driver.I seem to have understood that they, as member of a medical company, would wear Kornflower-blue waffenfarbe and no specific equipment.
Is it correct?
Ambulance drivers did have specific equipment, see link
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=412278

Kornflower-blue waffenfarbe is what I would think too.

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Old 01-12-2019, 06:23 AM   #9
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Many thanks Hans for your clear and exhaustive post

Ii is very difficult to find similar informations. Strangely, medical troops are little considered by the authors..

We have left one last character in this our representation... the ambulance driver.
I seem to have understood that they, as member of a medical company, would wear Kornflower-blue waffenfarbe and no specific equipment.
Is it correct?
Moreover did drivers also exist form the division's staff, not member of a medical company?

Thanks again for you great post.
Marco
Thank you Marco,

Well, we need many more types of men to consider. IN a medical company (that is, the units who wore korflower-blue waffenfarbe) there would be the following to consider:

Drivers (as you mention)
Butchers
Carpenters
Pharmacist assistent
Shoemaker
Tailor
Mechanics
Cooks
Barbers

Communication-squad (normally 2 x 3 men - for insignia see below photo of insignia in Kornflower blue)

And for the companies equipped with horses:
Veterinarian and assistents
saddler
and many more...

But if they all were in a Sanitätskompagnie/abteilung they would be assigned to the medical troops and therefore - in theory - be wearing konrflower blue insignia.

But, as always with the german army, there were probably exceptions.

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Old 01-15-2019, 01:05 PM   #10
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This picture showing us two things :
- Sanitatspersonal in an other company wore waffenfarbe of this company
- there can be lower rank than unteroffiziere as Sanitatspersonal attach to an other company.

Im i right ?

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Old 01-15-2019, 03:39 PM   #11
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Thank you Marco,

Well, we need many more types of men to consider. IN a medical company (that is, the units who wore korflower-blue waffenfarbe) there would be the following to consider:

Drivers (as you mention)
Butchers
Carpenters
Pharmacist assistent
Shoemaker
Tailor
Mechanics
Cooks
Barbers

Communication-squad (normally 2 x 3 men - for insignia see below photo of insignia in Kornflower blue)

And for the companies equipped with horses:
Veterinarian and assistents
saddler
and many more...

But if they all were in a Sanitätskompagnie/abteilung they would be assigned to the medical troops and therefore - in theory - be wearing konrflower blue insignia.

But, as always with the german army, there were probably exceptions.

Hans Kristian
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Old 01-15-2019, 03:45 PM   #12
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Ambulance drivers did have specific equipment, see link
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=412278

Kornflower-blue waffenfarbe is what I would think too.

Best regards,

Jan B.
Thanks Jan for your useful information.

Please only a question.
Was this equipment specific for ambulance drivers or we can see it for all kind of driver as a sort of first aid kit?
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Thanks Jan for your useful information.

Please only a question.
Was this equipment specific for ambulance drivers or we can see it for all kind of driver as a sort of first aid kit?
Marco
Marco, IMHO this pouch was specific for ambulance personal and medical transport personal. I have not much more information available. Maybe someone has the packordnung to share with us, that would be great.

All other kind of WH transport would have the standard Verbandkasten at their disposal in the vehicle. And some ( like LW Feuerwehr vehicles at airfields for example) had specific verbandkasten.

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Old 01-16-2019, 06:36 AM   #14
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Don`t forget that there was a bigger medical pouch with a carrying strap and handle for Krankenträgern as well.

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Old 01-16-2019, 11:07 AM   #15
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Many thanks mates
for your clear and exhaustive information...
If you think to add other interesting informations, please do it.
It is so difficult to find information about medical troops.

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