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Late Zelt made from odd colored pieces
Old 12-31-2018, 04:42 PM   #1
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Default Late Zelt made from odd colored pieces

Found an interesting Zelt made from 3 to 4 different colors, doesn't look to be repaired just made that way. Could not find a Maker marking, some buttons may have been replaced. Steel buttons are rusty, head flap made with odd color, corners odd as well. Sorry, it's cloudy and rainy so not very much light. One side very light greens.
Will try for better pictures in natural light, just wanted to share last buy of 2018!
Enjoy and Happy New Year! Dave.
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Added a little brightness to the photo, for the last 2.
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Old 12-31-2018, 04:47 PM   #5
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Notice black line on grommet patch.
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Old 01-01-2019, 05:04 AM   #6
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Nice latewar 4 panel Zeltbahn, not unusual with pieces made from differently coloured material, there was a great variation in the colours from one producer to another. The black stripe is unusual. Seems some of the pieces might even be of the "french pattern" / reduced splinter pattern.

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Old 01-01-2019, 06:34 AM   #7
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Yes, nice one !!

And indeed, the side reinforcement strips are made out of “reduced patter” zelt

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Old 01-01-2019, 10:53 AM   #8
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Nice way to end the year! Thanks for posting such an interesting example
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Old 01-06-2019, 04:06 PM   #10
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Also carbon impregnated zelt.
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Yeah, really looks like a Carbon Overprint One
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No such thing as infrared protection COP existed IMO, its a collectors myth. Just printed over italian camo fabric with faint shadow of original print. Typical of 4 panel Zelts where the italian M29 fabric is too narrow to make a german M31 Zeltbahn. I don`t see the italian print here though, I see the other side of the Buntfarbendruck bleeding through.

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No such thing as infrared protection COP existed IMO, its a collectors myth. Just printed over italian camo fabric with faint shadow of original print. Typical of 4 panel Zelts where the italian M29 fabric is too narrow to make a german M31 Zeltbahn. I don`t see the italian print here though, I see the other side of the Buntfarbendruck bleeding through.

I know the subject is controversial.

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Bielieve me , there is such thing as carbon impregnation. Friends of mine bought a bunch ( around 20 or 30 ) of late war made zelts ( most 1945 made) from Czech Republic on one of military fair there around 15 year ago and ALL were carbon impreganted ( and were not a 4 panel examples ). All had the same "dirty" look ( but all were mint / never used and all came from Czech army depots ).
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I have seen "fake" COPs to boost prices. Photographic evidence of a non-4 panel "COP" would help. Never seen a believable one, and I have seen many Zelts in my time.

There is a photo of a prototype in a camo book, but the overprint was the same print as Liebermuster, and I don`t know if that was an original in the first place.

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Infrared technology was in its infancy in 1944/45. The german factories producing Zeltbahns had other things to worry about. Having to use narrower fabric (4 panel construction - likely italian origin) made production more difficult instead of easier. They started reprinting (overprint) the italian camo fabric after the italian armistice gaining access to italian fabric, the collectors COP being the result with the italian M29 brown camo shining through - on one side only as the italian M29 Telo Mimetica pattern was also only printed on one side - the other left blank, but at the end of 1944 some factories just started sewing the 4-panel Zeltbahns in unaltered original italian camo to speed up production. Again a collectors myth is that these were special SS Zeltbahns, there is no evidence to support this.

All the so called COPs I have seen has been 4 panel Buntfarbendruck and the "COP" in italian camo (the brown M29 colour) faint and printed on one side only.

- Why use italian camo to make COP? They could have chosen Leibermuster or another german camo pattern.

- Why print it ("COP") on one side only and faint? The Leibermusters black colour (Infrared resistant) is very distinct and a completely different pattern, easy to see. A soldier, and no one (soldiers) has ever heard of or confirmed the issue and use of COP to my knowledge, would have known abouth this and had to turn to find the faint itailian pattern COP Zeltbahn, perhaps in a dark night to find out which side to use to protect himself against infrared detection? Not likely.

- The "COPs" were not widely produced.

IMO its a collectors myth. There is no thing as a "special" carbon overprint Zelthbahn except perhaps prototypes of which perhaps one has survived.

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