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Old 06-07-2019, 08:47 PM   #1
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Hello,

Erwin has asked me to post images of a nice Reservist Stein he has, we would both like to hear your thoughts and opinions.

Cheers from a cool winters day
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Old 06-07-2019, 08:50 PM   #2
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Old 06-07-2019, 11:04 PM   #3
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Thanks Paul for posting this for me. Steins are not my thing and I've heard that fakes are out there so hoping some truly informed person can weigh in on this one. It would be nice to know one way or the other if it's good or bad and if good to know what it is all about.
Personally I like the picture and the inscription of the military bakery.

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Old 06-08-2019, 07:37 AM   #4
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I am pretty sure it is a repo . Real ones don’t have the image at the bottom . All the little names should be hand painted and not transfers . Imo. Rob
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:51 AM   #5
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I believe that they do have lithopanes in the bottom: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ighlight=stein
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Old 06-08-2019, 11:38 AM   #6
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Real ones don’t have the image at the bottom Rob
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The opposite is true actually. Need better pics to judge authenticity.
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Old 06-08-2019, 11:40 AM   #7
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I am pretty sure it is a repo . Real ones don’t have the image at the bottom . All the little names should be hand painted and not transfers . Imo. Rob
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Many IG steins have lithopanes on the bottom of the stein. The lithopanes you do not want to see are the ones with nude women or pornographic images. Names of unit members were transfers and not painted on. The only name that would be painted is the owners around the rim of the stein. Additionally, his name should be on the list of unit names (I did not see his name on the rim but it appears to be engraved on the lid?? What is the rank? .

Have your friend rub his fingers over the transfers to se if the details such as buttons are painted on. Also look at the underside of the pewter lid, it should be a different shade from the exterior lid which has tone/tarnished over time.

Also from the pictures on the side of the stein, this appears to be for a Baker, which are among one of the rarer and more desirable steins.

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Many IG steins have lithopanes on the bottom of the stein. The lithopanes you do not want to see are the ones with nude women or pornographic images. Names of unit members were transfers and not painted on. The only name that would be painted is the owners.

Have your friend rub his fingers over the transfers to se if the details such as buttons are painted on. Also look at the underside of the pewter lid, it should be a different shade from the exterior lid which has tone/tarnished over time.

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IMO various individual details would be painted on - like f.e. years of service, name, sometimes company/eskadron. The main image would be a transfer.
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Old 06-08-2019, 01:19 PM   #9
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From what I see I like it. I have been collecting these for 10 years. Here is what I like. 1 smooth handle. 2. high relief lid. 3. Name on the front is also in the list of names on the side. 4. Regiment 122 matches the regimental name on the bottom - Fusilier Regiment Kaiser Franz Joseph von Osterreich, Konig von Ungaren 4. Wurttembergisches. Repros can look good superficially, but generally do not match the unit number and name exactly.
5. I like the lithopane, good detail and common theme, although I have not seen that exact one before. 6. It looks like his first name Karl was engraved on the lid, not common, but nice touch, these things were very personal to the original owners.
A couple more things to look out for, the lid underneath should be fairly shiny and there are usually no maker marks on the bottom of an original. Also look at the thumblift, this can vary, but if it is the Wurttemburg crest, a lion and a deer on each side of a shield, it would be one more clue towards authentic. Rob.
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Old 06-08-2019, 01:56 PM   #10
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I agree with what has alr4ady been mentioned. I'd like to add other points. The red striping has an overlap, indicating it was hand painted. The roster looks hand painted as well. Fake steins do have lithophane bottoms as well, but commonly with lewd scenes (topless woman, provocatively positioned women). Faked steins also have scenes that are likely to appeal to an amateur collector that wouldnt know any better. Like an infantry attack on one side, with a zeppelin in the background, and artillery on the other side. This Stein is pretty specific to one outfit, like authentic steins.
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Old 06-08-2019, 03:38 PM   #11
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I was going to buy one recently but thought I would do a search online first and these things have been reproduced since forever. My only experience with this sort of thing is an Uhlans pipe I have and every bit of it including the list of names is hand painted. Good luck I hope it’s real pre Ww1 piece. Rob

Can you show us the makers marks on the bottom
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https://www.realorrepro.com/article/...al-beer-steins

I found this which is quite useful . Rob
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Old 06-08-2019, 04:10 PM   #13
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Thanks guys for you wonderful response and just to answer a couple of questions. Firstly there is no makers mark anywhere, the underneath of the lid is quite bright & shiny. Regarding the hand painted buttons etc, yes there seems to be something there when I rub my fingers over it I can feel the raised dots, it is very fine but they are there. Also about the thumblift crest it appears to be just like the Baden helmet plate which I notice has faint traces of red on the shield.
Something else which no one has mentioned is that in one of the photos one can notice a flaw in the porcelain in that purple band around the base.
I'll talk nicely to Paul and see if he will post some more pics of the underneath of the lid etc. Is there anything else someone might want to see more closely?

Thanks again fellas I'm quite encouraged by the response.
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Yes its a good one.

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Old 06-08-2019, 04:51 PM   #15
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https://www.steveonsteins.com/reserv...reproductions/

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