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Another interesting box, German colonial pre-ww1
Old 08-17-2019, 09:24 PM   #1
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Default Another interesting box, German colonial pre-ww1

The boxes are for my rings as that is my main collecting focus but tbh Iíve been getting into boxes (and that certainly must sound silly) but I mean I think they alone are interesting. So opinions please on this one- I believe it to be Chinese lacquered cinnabar, with many decorative illustrations. I could only guess that the period is Qing dynasty, I would presume pre-1911 maybe later 19th century, but have no knowledge of the period or this artistic style. I love the clasp. It would appear that the top was painted later, post-1910 but likely prewar. The design is amazing to me... it appears to be for the 3rd See Batallion (1907-1910) in Tsingtau China. The imperial eagle on top, dominating what I would guess to be a representation of the Qing Dynasty/China (the Dragon) . Any more detail or knowledge I do not have but would love to learn, all comments are welcome
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Old 08-18-2019, 10:06 AM   #2
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The III See Battalion were formed in 1897 to garrison Tsingtao and fought there in WWI, so I'd guess it was commissioned by a member of that unit stationed in the city. The Chinese, like many other colonized peoples, were very good at producing goods and services of interest to the occupying troops and foreign travellers.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:05 AM   #3
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Well what with all the clever fakee people out there I can see a crafty character finding this old Chinese box and giving it a remake. Not saying thats the case but I view items like this with suspicion. Rob
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Old 08-26-2019, 08:56 AM   #5
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Very good point. One would have to have provenance and some expertise in 19th C paint and wood, perhaps, to make a definite call.

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Very good point. One would have to have provenance and some expertise in 19th C paint and wood, perhaps, to make a definite call.

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That was kind of what I was hoping to find here; it looks perfectly fine to me, and sure wasnít cheap... but if no one knows, Iíll take it to a specialist to get a look at it. Seems very niche-specific to be made up; Iíd think something more valuable as pertaining to an individual or famous moment that would attract an outside-of the niche or hobby buyer. I donít think The pawn stars guys would think much of it.
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Old 08-27-2019, 07:47 AM   #7
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Sadly, the free, inexpert comments you get here are worth what you paid. Some of us are expert in various areas and can make pretty authoritative comments on some things - para wings, and so on - but this is, as you say, a really unusual piece. It does seem an odd thing to fake for the reasons you list , but then I'm amazed at what strange things the fakers are turning out. Long service medals to the Hong Kong Police, comes to mind. Who knew those were a hot item in HK?

I guess you have to decide whether getting [and probably paying for] expert advice is worth it to you. Unless you can find a museum or gallery which might look at it pro bono.

As a piece of creative history, even if a fake, it's lovely. As a genuine souvenir of a bygone era it's wonderful. Sorry we couldn't be more help!
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Hi peter
Thank you for the thoughtful response; I really do appreciate all the help and opinions. So, Iíve set up an appointment next month with an ifaa/Aam (international fine art appraisers/ American alliance of museums) appraiser. Hopefully, I will be able to get some good answers and advice from the session; and if not it will be fun in any case.
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I agree I really hope its the real deal as its very nice. I have a liking for old Chinese things. However ebay and auction houses have taught me Everything is faked. Rob
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Unfortunately very true. I hate to say it, but take a walk down an aisle at the max or any militaria show anymore. I have seen entire tables with hardly an authentic item on them. The only thing I ever want to know is do the sellers know too? I donít usually bother to stop to ask so Iíve never broached the subject with them to be honest.
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What Robb said! About hoping it is real. Please do let us know what you find out.
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What Robb said! About hoping it is real. Please do let us know what you find out.
Update- it wasnít the Tiffany lamp that got seen right before me, but this is a good second place imho!
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Oh, excellent! Glad it is real and, I'm sure, an asset to your collection.
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