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1957 Medals, Orders and Decorations Third Reich Awards redesigned in 1957 without National Socialist Emblems, including Post-war and Veteran-related items.

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Old 12-06-2017, 05:11 AM   #16
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Well, this is a constant topic about the prices... I know. Obviously dealers and collectors have different views... I don't sell a magnetic ST&L EK2 under £90 because people buy them, a WW1 example cannot be sold over £60-70.... 57ers are getting scarce guys, let's face it.
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Old 12-06-2017, 05:20 AM   #17
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Well, this is a constant topic about the prices... I know. Obviously dealers and collectors have different views... I don't sell a magnetic ST&L EK2 under £90 because people buy them, a WW1 example cannot be sold over £60-70.... 57ers are getting scarce guys, let's face it.
You are correct ... early badges aren't being made any more and less of them are found for sale.
As dealer I do understand your pricing ... VAT, taxes, duties and all that other sh*t needs to be paid as well .

Just happy I was able to buy mid-period ... good pieces still very much affordable.

Mathijs

PS - wasn't casting a stone directly at you ... sorry if it seemed like that.
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:23 PM   #18
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Hi,

A few comments.........

1) 57er pricing on dealer sites continues to rise, across all awards, and dealer sites.

2) Dealers tend to price later 70s produced open hinge block awards higher than a 60s solid hinge block awards can be purchased on the WAF.

3) Not all 57er collectors are on WAF. Based upon what I see on the 57er WAF. We have about 12-18 serious 57er collectors, and probably around the same number again, which collect 57er at some level less than the “hard core” guys. Compared to TR era collectors, that number is way less than 1%.

4) I have posted numerous solid hinge block 57er awards on WAF at super prices, and almost nothing sells. The problem with selling 57er awards from the US to international is shipping costs. I am amazed how cheap it is to ship from Europe to the US, compared to from the US to Europe.

5) Any US based guys wanting to start or expand your 57er collection, please hit me up as I have some duplicate awards.

Enjoy the hobby, and the holiday season with your families

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Old 12-06-2017, 12:43 PM   #19
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Hi,

A few comments.........

1) 57er pricing on dealer sites continues to rise, across all awards, and dealer sites.

2) Dealers tend to price later 70s produced open hinge block awards higher than a 60s solid hinge block awards can be purchased on the WAF.

3) Not all 57er collectors are on WAF. Based upon what I see on the 57er WAF. We have about 12-18 serious 57er collectors, and probably around the same number again, which collect 57er at some level less than the “hard core” guys. Compared to TR era collectors, that number is way less than 1%.

4) I have posted numerous solid hinge block 57er awards on WAF at super prices, and almost nothing sells. The problem with selling 57er awards from the US to international is shipping costs. I am amazed how cheap it is to ship from Europe to the US, compared to from the US to Europe.

5) Any US based guys wanting to start or expand your 57er collection, please hit me up as I have some duplicate awards.

Enjoy the hobby, and the holiday season with your families

Best,

Jeff

Thanks for the info Skyhawk! Sending PM.
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:54 PM   #20
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Jeff, I am interested, pm me please.

The way I see this: why should a 57er EK2 cheaper than a WW1 pattern if there are far less available on the market of the magnetic 57ers than the WW1 EK2-s? I sell many Bundeswehr items too, they are getting popular as well. Also what is difficult to understand if you are a long time collector: many people buy these awards because of their look, they simply like the way they are, Iron Cross is very popular but to sell a German Cross in Silver is very difficult, it looks odd, to be honest (only personal remark of course).

Most of the buyers have never even heard about the 1957 awards, most of them ask me whether these awards are denazified or "fantasy items"....

To sell to collectors is nearly impossible, they always want to buy these awards at the best price they have ever paid for them ages ago....

Sorry guys, just being honest, not trying to be offensive.

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Old 12-06-2017, 02:23 PM   #21
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Hi Andrew,

Will do, on the PM.

Your points are definitely on mark from a dealer's perspective. There was a time, basically before the last few years when 57er awards were "super" inexpensive. The WAF 57er section seemed to really grow starting around 2008 onward, and unfortunately we had a "wave" of exits about 2 years ago (Rudiger, Steve,etc.). Peter more recently.
Karsten was exitting when I entered the 57er hobby almost 5 years ago. I never would have built my 57er collection without several of those who collected before me, leaving the hobby. In my mind 57er collecting is at a crossroads of sorts, and I am not sure which way it will go. We have had almost NO new "serious" collectors enter the 57er section recently. My collection is almost complete except for a few "needle in the haystack" awards which I might never acquire. On the TR medals/badges side, pretty much everything can be found/purchased, it just comes down to the size of your wallet. This is definitely not the case on the 57er side. You would spend years trying to find a Deumer example of each of the 57er war badges, and some you might NEVER find. To me that is part of the "allure" of 57er collecting. Building a 57er collection takes relationships, hard work, endless web searches, and LUCK. TR medal/badge collecting is more a function of just having BIG $ to spend.

For me, 57er collecting has been WAY more fun than TR collecting EVER was. I liquidated most of my TR collection to fund my 57er collection. Many would say I am "nuts" for doing this. 57er collecting really is a nice little secret!

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Old 12-06-2017, 02:53 PM   #22
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Very interesting to hear peoples thoughts on 57 collecting and pricing!!!
As you said Jeff, several of the bigger names in 57 collecting quit the hobby in the last 5 years or so, there are quite a few new guys coming along, who will hopefully grow to love the 57ers as much as we do!!!
Pricing is always a difficult area, and is usually defined by desirability, rather than rarity I think??
We were talking recently about the 57 KVK RK compared to the 57 EK RK, the KVK knights cross is much rarer, so in theory should be worth a lot more than the EK knights cross, but everyone wants an EK RK, and not so many the KVK, it just doesn't have the same attraction, so the EK RK is nearly always more expensive than the KVK!!
There are many more examples of scarce medals (and to a lesser extent badges) which also don't fetch the prices that their rarity should command, simply because they are not as sought after!!!!
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