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Old 10-20-2019, 09:14 PM   #1
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Hello! I got this a bit ago and wanna see what others think. Didn't pay much, but I believe it to be period and the tailor is from the era and still around today!
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Old 10-21-2019, 06:23 PM   #2
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Old 10-21-2019, 07:30 PM   #3
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Not WW2 era for me
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Collecting summer weight pilot clothing, Reichverteidigung leather jackets and Kanalhosen, aircrew parachutes, fighter pilot document groupings, HG Division items and LW tropical tunic boards
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:09 PM   #4
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Not disputing it, but what makes you say that?
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Old 10-22-2019, 01:13 PM   #5
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Any comments or thoughts?
Have you taken a look at this thread ?
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=553064
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Old 10-22-2019, 08:11 PM   #6
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Great link Lenny!

In my opinion these things are a minefield and I have to say - gut reaction, I'm with Gene.

That tailor's label looks like it has been hand sewn in and meant to make it look like it was machine done. There is too much gathering at each of the stitches. Also, I'd expect to see some dust/dirt settling around the base of the bridle. The one shown looks like it was sewn on last week.

If you don't have a lot in it than no big deal. These jackets are death without rock solid provenance, or a photo showing the exact pattern being worn between '40 - 45.

Again, just my opinion.

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Old 10-23-2019, 01:33 AM   #7
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A classical 50's vintage jacket pimped as a LW private flight jacket .
Typical cut , especially in the back .
Even the shoulder straps buttons are post war BW ...
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Old 10-23-2019, 05:05 PM   #8
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My advice would be to stick with the official LW leather jacket--the Reichsverteidigung (have yet to see one faked to this day).
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Old 10-24-2019, 04:08 AM   #9
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Hi!

Classic "push up" post war lether jacket, to looks like a period one. Lufty guys wore lots of privately made lether jacket, that's true, but don't meaning that all the stuff could be flying jacket!
This is the case!

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Old 10-24-2019, 12:30 PM   #10
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My advice would be to stick with the official LW leather jacket--the Reichsverteidigung (have yet to see one faked to this day).
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I would like to have in my collection just such a French leather jacket. This type of jacket is most often seen in the WW2 period photos. And it doesn’t matter to me who used this jacket. French motorcyclist or Luftwaffe pilot. The main thing is that this jacket be produced before the 45th year. While I'm in search of this model.

The jacket shown here, I also consider the post-war issue

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Old 10-24-2019, 06:17 PM   #11
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Sergey,

Why do you think this jacket is post ww2.
I saw and touched it and it was very convincing. The only downside was the very small size.
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Old 10-24-2019, 06:57 PM   #12
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I personally do not like the motorcycle ( flight) jackets with the brown mole skin lining as being war time examples.
A jacket used in battle should show more than badge loops, a eagle and shoulder boards, these guys used swimming vests and parachutes, these things left traces on the leather ..it's not a rule, but a indication to look for.
Tough vintage leather jackets can be found by the dozen each day, loads are post war, very few maybe war time, worn by who ??
Not only pilots wore these jackets during the days, truck drivers, tank crew, the resistence etc..
To find a real leather private purchased pilot jacket is very hard IMO, more difficult than to find a knight cross or SS helmet etc.


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Old 10-25-2019, 12:03 AM   #13
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Sergey,

Why do you think this jacket is post ww2.
I saw and touched it and it was very convincing. The only downside was the very small size.
Hi Werner,

it’s obvious to me that hinges for shoulder straps and labels were added after the war. It is possible that the jacket itself is a period of war. But I would pass by.

But personally, my opinion is, this jacket is 50s - 60s IMO.

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Old 10-25-2019, 08:43 PM   #14
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I personally do not like the motorcycle ( flight) jackets with the brown mole skin lining as being war time examples.
A jacket used in battle should show more than badge loops, a eagle and shoulder boards, these guys used swimming vests and parachutes, these things left traces on the leather ..it's not a rule, but a indication to look for.
Tough vintage leather jackets can be found by the dozen each day, loads are post war, very few maybe war time, worn by who ??
Not only pilots wore these jackets during the days, truck drivers, tank crew, the resistence etc..
To find a real leather private purchased pilot jacket is very hard IMO, more difficult than to find a knight cross or SS helmet etc.


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... and Kriegsmarine Schnellboot and Kleinkampfmittel crews also ...

My "fighter pilot" leather jacket came from a Kriegsmarine Oberbootsmann, but that's okay for me, because at least it was genuine pre-1945 and German military used.

For my mannequin I assume he had took the jacket over from his Navy comrade ...

The only difficulty was to find an Assmann Luftwaffe eagle to fit the loops for the broader Kriegsmarine eagle (I found one).

It is helpful to look for the cut of the collars. These "Hartmann" jackets (actually French bicycle leather jackets) were produced from the 1930s to the 1950s and You can still find them on the French flea markets. But the style of collars changed during this time. The early 1940s jackets have large collars according to the fashion of the era. That doesn't mean that jackets with smaller collars couldn't be pre-1945. But at least it is a good hint.
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Old 10-27-2019, 12:34 AM   #15
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here some examples.

the jacket in post "1" is never a war time jacket.
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