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Old 06-13-2012, 10:17 AM   #1
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Default Phung Hoang Scarf

Been a little slow on the forum lately so I thought I would post this scarf from the Phoenix program. Piece is entirely hand embroidered on a faded red cotton scarf. Ends are still tied in knots so this piece was actually used at some point. I imagine it is how it got faded as well. Colors are still very vibrant though, and this is by far the most colorful scarf that I have ever owned. Enjoy, Jeff
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:19 AM   #2
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a few more pics.
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Old 06-13-2012, 02:23 PM   #3
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Woh that's a beautiful piece Jeff
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Old 06-13-2012, 06:13 PM   #4
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Hmmmmmm.....I don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling on this.
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Old 06-13-2012, 06:19 PM   #5
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I'm right there with you.
Reminds me of the Pheonix patches and direct embroidered shirts that came out of the East Coast in the early 80's. Forgot the name of the guy who made them, but he sold a bunch to a collector in Michigan, who in turn sold a bunch of this stuff to a dealer, for close to 20K, and wouldn't even talk to the dealer when called out on it.
They look great in photos, but when you touch the threads and see them in person, there is something wrong.
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:13 PM   #6
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I got one of the SOG scarfs from the same batch ........plus a P Programe direct embroidered jungle jacket , this is typical of the work .


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Old 06-14-2012, 08:35 AM   #7
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Ah the joys of collecting Vietnam militaria!
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:53 PM   #8
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I have several different original team scarves. All my own.
They were made at different times in different home shops.
Most of this type stuff same same.
How can anyone propose to judge these on a standardised scale?

Did Phoenix ever actually adverttise itself in such a manner?
Small children can tie knots.
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Old 06-17-2012, 12:15 AM   #9
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Did Phoenix ever actually adverttise itself in such a manner?
The component run by the RVN government did. Aside from the secret operations, they (the RVN program) did do general propaganda / political education work.

Below is a Phoenix Program sign (photo from a book). I actually have a different book with some more RVN political education phoenix program photos, but can't find it at this moment.

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Old 06-17-2012, 09:54 AM   #10
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The word Phoenix was our attempt at translating the Vietnamese words for Phung Hoang the mythical bird "which could fly anywhere".

Phoenix was organized under the CORDS program. While it became notorious I do not beleive it had started out as an assasination unit which it is most often thought of. I would categorize it as an aggressive pacification program . The problem became most detainees never survived their initial interrogation.

It also became a way for corrupt Vietnamese officials and miltary types to do away with individuals whom they might have a grudge.

Originaly developed by the Defense contractor/ Think tank Rand Corporation it was a CIA and PRU operation at the province and village level.

I had a small group at one time to a Phoenix member and his paperwork orders etc clearly listed his assignment as Phoenix program coordinatior. So I assume they operated somewhat out in the open.

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Old 06-17-2012, 03:20 PM   #11
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But saddly the scarf is still a repo .
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Dintenfass???
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Yup......
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There was a PRU office in a smal town near a B Team I worked at for a while.
Never knew much about them but there was an American running around in a jeep who dressed in black PJs and acted like he owned the place.

He had a lot of clearances and burst into our undrground commo section one day demanding something-I picked up his runty self and threw him out until he went and got proper entrance.
I don't believe he had a scarf.
He chose to drive a main road one day when serious activity was announced. There wasn't much left of him subsequently.
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