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Old 11-13-2011, 01:24 AM   #1
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Default 1939 EK2 Master List

I thought it would be interesting to see if we could come up with a list of every EK2 variant currently known to exist, whether the maker is known or not.

I know this is incomplete (for example, different stamps, ancillary marks on "24" EK2s, etc), but here is a list to get us started. Please suggest additions and I will update the list to reflect them.

Some suggested guidelines: nothing unique, like mis-stamps or upside-down cores. Let's keep this to legitimate variants that can reasonably be collected by others. Known frame and core variations are fair game, but if there is some doubt as to whether or not two frames or cores really are different from one another, or just due to die-wear, flaws developed over time, or paint problems, we'll leave it as a single variant to be safe. Any discussions can break off into separate threads if need be.

So: what can we add to this list?
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Old 11-13-2011, 01:33 AM   #2
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EK2 Master List 1.0

Deschler 1
  • Round-3
  • unmarked
  • marked

C.E. Juncker 2
  • WFS frame (non-mag.)
  • crunch-bead frame (non-mag. WFS core)
  • crunch bead frame (mag., Juncker core) aka "full Juncker"
  • crunch bead frame (mag., W&L core)
  • crunch bead frame (mag., L/12 marked)
  • common L/12 type frame (marked L/12)
  • long flaw frame (mag., "small RK" core)
  • small frame

Deumer 3
  • Schinkel (mag.)
  • Schinkel (non-mag.)
  • unmarked
  • marked 3
  • marked L/11

Steinhauer & Lück 4
  • unmarked
  • marked 4
  • marked L/16

Zimmermann 6
  • thin beading frame unmarked, slim date numerals core
  • thin beading frame marked 6.
  • fat beading frame marked 6.

Paul Meybauer 7
  • Schinkel glossy paint
  • Schinkel matte paint
  • unmarked
  • marked 7
  • marked L/13

Grossmann & Co. 11
  • unmarked
  • marked 11

Frank & Reif 12
  • Ubergroße (unmarked)
  • Ubergroße "Little Brother" (unmarked)

Gustav Brehmer 13
  • unmarked
  • marked 13

L/ Christian Lauer 14
  • unmarked
  • marked 14

Friedrich Orth 15
  • unmarked
  • marked 15

Alois Rettenmaier 16
  • unmarked
  • marked 16

E. Ferd Weidmann 19
  • unmarked
  • marked 19

Gebrüder Godet 21
  • unmarked early frame type
  • marked 21

Boerger & Co. 22
  • unmarked
  • marked 22

Arbeitsgeminschaft 23
  • unmarked
  • marked 23 with 23 core
  • marked 23 Meybauer core

Arbeitsgeminschaft 24
  • unmarked
  • marked 24
  • marked 24 with ancillary mark on jumping:

Arbeitsgeminschaft 25
  • unmarked
  • marked 25

B.H. Mayer
  • marked L/18

Maria Schenkl 27
  • unmarked with # frame
  • marked 27 with # frame
  • marked 27 with standard frame

Assmann & Söhne 35
  • Schinkel (non-mag)
  • Schinkel (mag)

Berg & Nolte 40
  • unmarked
  • marked 40

Jakob Bengel 44
  • unmarked
  • marked 44

Gottlieb & Wagner 52
  • unmarked
  • marked 52

Hammer & Söhne
  • unmarked
  • marked 55

Robert Hauschild 56
  • unmarked
  • marked 56

Kaz & Deyhle 60
  • unmarked
  • marked 60

Klein & Quenzer 65
  • unmarked core A
  • marked 65 core A
  • marked 65 core B
  • marked 65 core C

Friedrich Keller 66
  • marked 66

75
  • unmarked
  • marked 75

Ernst L. Muller 76
  • unmarked
  • marked 76

Paulmann & Crone 86
  • unmarked (non-mag)
  • unmarked (mag)

Richard Simm & Söhne 93
  • marked 93

Rudolf Souval 98
  • unmarked
  • marked 98
  • marked L/58

Wächtler & Lange 100
  • unmarked
  • marked 100
  • marked L55

Brüder Schneider 106
  • marked 106

Walter & Henlein 109
  • unmarked

Hermann Aurich 113
  • unmarked
  • marked 113

Franz Petzl 120
  • unmarked
  • marked 120

J.J. Stahl 122
  • marked 122

Beck, Hassinger & Co. 123
  • marked 123
  • marked [123]

Eugen Gauss 125
  • marked 125

Moritz Hausch 127
  • unmarked

S. Jablonski 128
  • marked 128

Franz Reischauer 132
  • marked 132

J.H. Werner 137
  • marked 137

Julius Maurer 138
  • marked 138

Otto Schickle L/15
  • Schinkel one-piece thin
  • Schinkel one-piece thick
  • unmarked
  • marked L/15

Funcke & Bruninghaus L/56
  • unmarked
  • marked L/56

Petz & Lorenz
  • one-piece unmarked

Unknown Makers
  • Round-3 thick
  • Round-3 beveled
  • Round-3 swas-on-pedestal, pebbled core surface
  • B-Type/Prototype
  • Unknown Maker Schinkel
  • "Lug" variant
  • "Odd Date" variant
  • "8" variant
  • "straight-arm" variant
  • Spanish-made (various types)
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Old 11-13-2011, 03:58 AM   #3
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Good work, Trevor.

I don't see the straight 9 Schinkel on the list, unless it's the unknown Schinkel.
 

Old 11-13-2011, 06:58 AM   #4
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A long overdue updated list, Thank you Trevor.

I believe that there are two different frame and core versions found on Robert Hauschild marked 56 crosses. (At least, mine is different to some others shown here).

See:
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=445140

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Old 11-13-2011, 07:42 AM   #5
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Really great work Trevor !

I should add Schauerte & Hohfeld with their marked and unmarked L/54.
 

Old 11-13-2011, 08:57 AM   #6
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Old 11-13-2011, 11:05 AM   #7
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Quote:
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I thought it had been deleted at first when I couldn't find it

Fabri, Danny, and Sonny -- good additions. Let's see if we get any more and I will do an update later this evening.

Is there a thread that shows the secondary marks possible on the "24"?

Also, I realized I left out (mag) and (non-mag) versions of the Schickle.

Thanks for any more additions guys.
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Old 11-13-2011, 11:51 AM   #8
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Yes ..... finaly a list . Still working on a few additions .

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Okay, it's unpinned for easier access.
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Superb list - a fantastic resource for the EKII maker collector.

Now all we need is a reference picture or two for each variant...
 

Old 11-13-2011, 10:45 PM   #11
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Thanks for the support and suggestions guys. In response to Matt's suggestion of links, I've tried adding links to some photos after some of the crosses. If this seems like a good system, I will go through and do it for all of them as time permits.

I've also made some other changes. As I add or change things I will try and mention them as below in italics.
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Old 11-13-2011, 10:48 PM   #12
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EK2 Master List 1.1

Updates: corrected and expanded makers names, added Robert Hauschild core variation, Straight-9 Schinkel, L/54 EKs, Schickle non-mags., and provided links to photos for some crosses as a test.

Deschler & Sohn 1
C.E. Juncker 2
  • WFS frame (non-mag.)
  • crunch-bead frame (non-mag. WFS core)
  • crunch bead frame (mag., Juncker core) aka "full Juncker"
  • crunch bead frame (mag., W&L core)
  • crunch bead frame (mag., L/12 marked)
  • common L/12 type frame (marked L/12)
  • long flaw frame (mag., "small RK" core)
  • small frame

Wilhelm Deumer 3
  • Schinkel (mag.)
  • Schinkel (non-mag.)
  • unmarked
  • marked 3
  • marked L/11

Steinhauer & Lück 4
  • unmarked
  • marked 4
  • marked L/16

Fritz Zimmermann 6
  • thin beading frame unmarked, slim date numerals core
  • thin beading frame marked 6.
  • fat beading frame marked 6.

Paul Meybauer 7
  • Schinkel glossy paint
  • Schinkel matte paint
  • unmarked
  • marked 7
  • marked L/13

Grossmann & Co. 11
  • unmarked
  • marked 11

Frank & Reif 12
  • Ubergroße (unmarked)
  • Ubergroße "Little Brother" (unmarked)

Gustav Brehmer 13
  • unmarked
  • marked 13

L. Christian Lauer 14
  • unmarked
  • marked 14

Friedrich Orth 15
  • unmarked
  • marked 15

Alois Rettenmaier 16
  • unmarked
  • marked 16

E. Ferd Weidmann 19
  • unmarked
  • marked 19

Gebrüder Godet 21
  • unmarked early frame type
  • marked 21

Boerger & Co. 22
  • unmarked
  • marked 22

Arbeitsgemeinschaft für Heeresbedarf in der Graveur- und Ziselierinnung 23
  • unmarked
  • marked 23 with 23 core
  • marked 23 Meybauer core

Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plakettenhersteller 24
  • unmarked
  • marked 24
  • marked 24 with ancillary mark on jumping:

Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Graveur-, Gold- und Silberschemiedeinnungen 25
  • unmarked
  • marked 25

B.H. Mayer
  • marked L/18

Anton Schenkl's Nachf. (Maria Schenkl) 27
  • unmarked with # frame
  • marked 27 with # frame
  • marked 27 with standard frame

F.W. Assmann & Söhne 35
  • Schinkel (non-mag)
  • Schinkel (mag)

Berg & Nolte 40
  • unmarked
  • marked 40

Jakob Bengel 44
  • unmarked
  • marked 44

Gottlieb & Wagner 52
  • unmarked
  • marked 52

J.E. Hammer & Söhne
  • unmarked
  • marked 55

Robert Hauschild 56
  • unmarked
  • marked 56 core A (1)
  • marked 56 core B (1o,1r)

Katz & Deyhle 60
  • unmarked
  • marked 60

Klein & Quenzer A.G. 65
  • unmarked core A
  • marked 65 core A
  • marked 65 core B
  • marked 65 core C

Friedrich Keller 66
  • marked 66

75 (Unknown Maker)
  • unmarked
  • marked 75

Ernst L. Müller 76
  • unmarked
  • marked 76

Paulmann & Crone 86
  • unmarked (non-mag)
  • unmarked (mag)

Richard Simm & Söhne 93
  • marked 93

Rudolf Souval 98
  • unmarked
  • marked 98
  • marked L/58

Rudolf Wächtler & Lange 100
  • unmarked
  • marked 100
  • marked L55

Brüder Schneider 106
  • marked 106

Walter & Henlein 109
  • unmarked

Hermann Aurich 113
  • unmarked
  • marked 113

Funke & Brunninghaus 116
  • unmarked
  • marked L/56

Franz Petzl 120
  • unmarked
  • marked 120

J.J. Stahl 122
  • marked 122

Beck, Hassinger & Co. 123
  • marked 123
  • marked [123]

Eugen Gauss 125
  • marked 125

Moritz Hausch A.G. 127
  • unmarked (1)(2)

S. Jablonski G.m.b.H. 128
  • marked 128

Franz Reischauer 132
  • marked 132

J.H. Werner 137
  • marked 137

Julius Maurer 138
  • marked 138

Schauerte & Hohfeld 140
  • unmarked
  • marked L/54

Otto Schickle L/15
  • Schinkel one-piece thin
  • Schinkel one-piece thick
  • unmarked (mag.)
  • unmarked (non-mag.)
  • marked L/15 (mag.)
  • marked L/15 (non-mag.)

Petz & Lorenz (no number known)
  • one-piece unmarked

Unknown Makers
  • Round-3 thick
  • Round-3 beveled
  • Round-3 swas-on-pedestal, pebbled core surface
  • B-Type/Prototype (1)(2o,2r)
  • Unknown Maker Schinkel (1)(2)(3)(4)(5)
  • Straight-9 Schinkel
  • "Lug" variant (1)
  • "Odd Date" variant
  • "8" variant (1)(2)
  • "straight-arm" variant (1)
  • Spanish-made (various types)
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Old 11-14-2011, 01:25 PM   #13
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Excellent work, Trevor
A very good list with all the links!
 

Old 11-14-2011, 03:09 PM   #14
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Linking to photos of the variants is looking really good - so good in fact I think we could take it to the next level.

My suggestion is we create a 'Photo Database' thread (similar to the Knights Cross photo database thread) with just photos of the EK variants. Trevor can then link to these from his Master List and we have an instant complete and cross-referenced resource. [Edit: heh, 'cross'-referenced - no pun intended]

I am sure with our serious EK maker collectors we can produce a photo database to rival any book currently in print in no time at all.

Who wants to get the ball rolling with a dedicated EK variant thread and pictures from their collection?

Matt.

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Old 11-14-2011, 03:57 PM   #15
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What about adding "Wilh. Hammesfahr, Soligen" to the list?

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