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Old 10-18-2019, 06:59 AM   #31
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Hi Tom,

Thanks for your reply. Yes I agree with you that the gold finish couldnt fade away. Look at the ground dug badge – 70 yers in the ground + heavy cleaning and the finish is still there.

For me this PABs with grey wreaths are still a mystery. We know also many excelent examples of JFS 75 or 100 PABs with grey wreath plus bronze coated PAB.

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Old 10-18-2019, 07:01 AM   #32
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Hi Pavel,

Possible explanation:

Silvering for the tank was still available at JFS.

The needle systems have already been delivered gold plated by the supplier.

the gilding should be applied later with the brush if available ...

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Old 10-18-2019, 07:02 AM   #33
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Hi Tom,

Thanks for your reply. Yes I agree with you that the gold finish couldnt fade away. Look at the ground dug badge – 70 yers in the ground + heavy cleaning and the finish is still there.

For me this PABs with grey wreaths are still a mystery. We know also many excelent examples of JFS 75 or 100 PABs with grey wreath plus bronze coated PAB.

More opinions welcome.

Best regards
Pavel
Yes I agree Pavel. We are just missing something here with these grey wreath examples. Maybe a late war regulation change were the grey wreath was instituted, who knows. We are missing a piece of the puzzle.

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Old 10-18-2019, 07:09 AM   #34
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Possible explanation:

Silvering for the tank was still available at JFS.
I don’t think this was the case. It doesn’t take much gold finish to complete a badge, the finish is very thin and you could probably do 100 badges with a cup full. And especially with a quality maker like JFS, I really don’t think they would complete an order or badges for the government with no gold finish on the wreath, such a blast at disregard for the appearance of a badge would not be acceptable at all, even so late in the war.

There must be a good and legitimate reason why these left the factory this way.

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Old 10-18-2019, 07:28 AM   #35
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Hello Thomas,

you certainly don't need much gold, but you need something.

We are talking about the last months of the war.

The front was close, traffic hubs under constant airstrikes.

If I had a factory and an order for the badges and I would have everything except the golden color, then I would let the workers build the badges without the last work step instead of building nothing...

difficult, everything just theories...

I have also found two pictures with PAB 75 ground dugs, which show (bright) gold plating on my computer.

Unfortunately, I don't know the origin anymore and I don't know if I can show it here...

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Old 10-18-2019, 07:29 AM   #36
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OK we have 2 theories:

1. (Tom) – maybe the regulation changed at the end of war and the suppliers were allowed to supply grey wreath badges. I know people say that also Juncker pieces are known with grey wreaths. Some people also say there are period pictures of soldiers wearing grey wreath badges. Any further evidence?


2. (Fafnir) – this are left overs from JFS factory. Not finished pieces that were waiting for the last step – coating of the wreath with gold. As I wrote – technologicaly it would be dificult to coat the wreath all over and not touch the silver panzer. Also the area of number box would be dificult. Covering only the number ant not touch the black paint around the number. But who knows.....

Any more ideas? Or pictures of gold wreath badges?

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Old 10-18-2019, 09:29 AM   #37
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mistake, sorry
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:29 AM   #38
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Old 10-19-2019, 03:29 AM   #39
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If the grey wreath badges were supposed to be so then why not do the whole thing grey ? Like it’s camo

Unfinished hoard in my opinion if there is no gold on the wreath like you say,

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Old 10-19-2019, 03:40 AM   #40
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In my honest opinion these where unfinished products, like you see with other awards on the barter/salesman boards

Leftover stock was sold (or traded) to make some quick money postwar. I don't think the Germans would ever award unfinished products, a grey wreath award is not just attractive at all.
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