Pullover shirt Kriegsmarine or Marine-HJ? Please help to identify!

[RamJet]

I posted this first in the political organizations section as I think it could be a HJ pullover, but the thread got 100+ klicks without any answer or comment ...

So I hope You Navy guys can perhaps help me. Can anyone tell me what I have here? I suppose from the stamp (last pic) that it is a pullover shirt of the Marine-HJ, but I do not know for sure and it is much larger than a pullover for a kid. Sorry, no better pics. Thanks in advance for every comment.

[km-spain]

Hello, IMO it's marine but not Kriegsmarine, probably post-war, it doesn't look WW2 for me.

[RamJet]

Should be actually pre-1945, it comes from an old stock. Some more of this kind, some stamped, some not.

Civil navy (Handelsmarine)?

[John Robinson]

This is not a Marine HJ jumper. It is not in accordance with regulations which were very specific for this shirt.

John

[RamJet]

Thanks a lot for helping.

When it is no HJ or KM military jumper, I think it is a civil one.

[michiel01]

A civil one with a HK on the stamp?

I think there is a whole lot of resemblance with VM jumpers, a bit to much when you ask me. recently this or a similar piece was listed on ebay.de, same stamp, didn't like it either.

[RamJet]

So You think it is a Volksmarine jumper with fake stamps?

Do You have perhaps a pic of a VM jumper? I have no idea how they look like.

[michiel01]

Yes I have some shots, I used to have this one, gave it away a few months ago.

note the buttons and cuff liner:



overall shot:


note the fabric:

[RamJet]

Thanks a lot, that was very helpful!

[RamJet]

The guys from the DDR section of the forum do not think it is Volksmarine:

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=598586


Any more ideas?

The stamp is so small and faint, how can anybody fake like that ...

[-Ray-]

The stitching pattern on the chest is irregular compared to conventional KM examples. Some one tried to sell me one with a seam pattern like this once as a WWII jumper


-Ray-