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Old 11-13-2019, 07:50 PM   #1
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Default Spanien Kreuz for review

Hello,

What do you think about this Silver Spanien Kreuz?
It might be an Otto Schickle.

Good or bad?

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Old 11-14-2019, 03:59 AM   #2
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IMO it is original
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Old 11-14-2019, 01:12 PM   #3
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... It might be an Otto Schickle.
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Hi Ron
In my opinion, it can't. IMO it's fake
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Old 11-14-2019, 07:37 PM   #4
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Center of the back looks very strange ..


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Old 11-14-2019, 08:46 PM   #5
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it reminds me of a Schickle or Petz & Lorenz design almost.

I have no problem with the center of the reverse being indented like that and have seen this feature on other period originals.

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Old 11-15-2019, 11:16 AM   #6
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Hi William
You can show
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Old 11-15-2019, 06:48 PM   #7
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Jacek
there's some P&L with a similar reverse feature in this thread:

http://wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/s...d.php?t=368823

the catch on the one that started the thread is also very similar but the obverse is different for me. I still think it stands a chance..

Here is a Schickle with a similar reverse hinge and catch assembly and almost looks like it has an indented reverse center feature like the cross which started this thead:

http://wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/s...d.php?t=102117

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Old 11-15-2019, 06:56 PM   #8
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I have no knowledge of this award, although I can say that this looks great from the front and not great from the back.
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Old 11-15-2019, 07:18 PM   #9
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I think it is a good Otto Schickle. I've seen the backs o f these in different variations that I believe is due to the pressure exerted during the stamping process. This one just looks like it got an extra few lbs of pressure.


This one got some extra lbs but not as much.
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Old 11-16-2019, 06:56 AM   #10
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there's some P&L with a similar reverse feature in this thread:
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Old 11-16-2019, 01:04 PM   #11
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Thank you guys.
I will forward this information to the owner.
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Old 11-16-2019, 04:31 PM   #12
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I believe the P&L crosses have more of a square imprint, this looks round on the ones I am familiar with.
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