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Old 12-17-2019, 04:36 PM   #1
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Since I haven't been lucky with my Kriegs daggers today I thought I better throw out a couple more for opinions.

First up is a Closed Crown imperial
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Old 12-17-2019, 04:39 PM   #2
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Next is a Third Reich Kriegs
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Old 12-18-2019, 04:16 AM   #3
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Larry,

may I see the Imperial blade tip from the side, please?
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Old 12-18-2019, 08:11 AM   #4
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Larry,

could you make some photos of the Imperial dagger w/o bright sun, maybe in the shadow? Itís not only that Iím jealous about your weather conditions, but some details are difficult to spot. It seems your dagger is a converted 1890 pattern to officer status, but better pics would be helpful.
Question: The closed crown is pinned to the tang?

The Eickhorn KM seems to have a replacement eagle, which is correct for that early MM. The scabbard may be a WKC scabbard. Please check Eickhorn here:
https://www.kriegsmarinedolch.de/eickhorn-carl/

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Old 12-18-2019, 08:55 AM   #5
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Be happy to take some photos in the shade it, I got hot being out in the sun. I need a little clearer explanation of how you want the blade tip photo taken. As far as I can tell, the crown is not pinned to the tang. it will unscrew, but not easily.
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Old 12-18-2019, 09:24 AM   #6
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Larry,
leave the crown where it is, pls.

I want to see whether blade has been shortened, what Iím thinking. Canít see that in the top view.
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Old 12-18-2019, 09:31 AM   #7
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... a pin, what you know, would be in that area. Sometimes hard to spot.
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Old 12-18-2019, 10:45 AM   #8
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I bet $20.00 the pin is still there.
The imperial is 100%
Has not been shortened..
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Old 12-18-2019, 10:47 AM   #9
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Hello Larry,
like already said is the dagger by Eickhorn a Reichsmarine dagger M29. The eagle seems to be a replacement one. The scabbard is by WKC.
May I ask you which length has the blade of an imperial dagger?
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Larry,
I have no issue with your Imperial Navy dagger. The grip shape and silver wire wrap suggests that it was possibly upgraded to an officer style or was always an officer dagger.

It's curious to see the closed crown pommel with a wire wrapped grip like this one hence the questions regarding if the pommel is pinned to the tang or not.

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Old 12-18-2019, 02:59 PM   #11
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Hello Larry,
like already said is the dagger by Eickhorn a Reichsmarine dagger M29. The eagle seems to be a replacement one. The scabbard is by WKC.
May I ask you which length has the blade of an imperial dagger?
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I agree with Oleg on the KM dagger.
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Old 12-19-2019, 01:03 AM   #12
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The blade of an imperial dagger has been shortened in my opinion. Here are two WKC imperial cadet daggers from my collection. Please take a look at the tips of the blades and compare them with a tip of the blade of the imperial dagger in this thread
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Old 12-19-2019, 02:10 AM   #13
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The blade of an imperial dagger has been shortened in my opinion. Here are two WKC imperial cadet daggers from my collection. Please take a look at the tips of the blades and compare them with a tip of the blade of the imperial dagger in this thread
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... wonderful weapons.

The shortening of a dagger is often misunderstood and considered a blemish. But this is not the case.
Cutting the blade and often the scabbard was an inexpensive way to transform into an officer's sidearm. This is not a malus, on the contrary. Itís a sure sign that the weapon was also carried by an officer.

Letís wait for some more photos, but Iím convinced about the shortened blade on the Imperial piece.
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Old 12-19-2019, 06:13 AM   #14
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The K.M. dagger is an initial production WKC M38 (early WKC M38 pommel) with an Eickhorn M29 blade.

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The K.M. dagger is an initial production WKC M38 (early WKC M38 pommel) with an Eickhorn M29 blade.

Russ.
Hi Russ,
I also thought about it and I consider it possible. I would like to see a better picture of the eagle.
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