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Possible Bronze Early Type 2.1 APB for opinions...
Old 11-01-2019, 06:06 PM   #1
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Default Possible Bronze Early Type 2.1 APB for opinions...

Hi everyone!

This badge is in a group of misc badges I'm reviewing for purchase from an estate. I referenced the Maerz / Scapini APB book and I have to say there are some striking similarities to the Type 2.1. I dismissed it at first, but when looking closely at the details of the cut, the imperfections (flaws), and especially the details of the mold (ridges) on the reverse, I'm not wondering if this may be the real deal. I own several APBs myself, including some fairly rare and minty ones, so I want to make sure this gets a fair shake.

I'm attaching two photos below for review - one of each side. Please comment only if you're experienced with these, I don't want this badge to be shot down and dismissed based only on things like, "it looks too new so it must be a fake." Such a potentially rare piece deserves an honest and thorough review and feedback from experienced APB collectors.

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Old 11-01-2019, 08:38 PM   #2
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It is trying to be the short hinge 2.1 but I would be cautious with this one. Detail looks soft and I suspect a casting of an original. The extremely rough looking sword does not inspire confidence in its originality coupled with scales and skull that lack the detail normally seen on the 2.1. Also, it just does not look like zinc. Do you see any evidence of hand finishing of the edges and cut outs? From these images I don't see any.
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Old 11-02-2019, 08:12 AM   #3
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Thanks for the reply Jeff.

I thought some of the same things (regarding the soft details), but then I wondered if the plating could be masking those details, or causing some of the finer details (e.g. the scales and the skull) to be less prominent. We typically see these with the plating 100% gone, revealing those details that plating can potentially cover (including grinding and some tool marks). And the absence of good plated Bronze examples (at least that I've seen) makes it even harder to judge in my opinion.
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Old 11-02-2019, 11:48 AM   #4
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It’s fake !
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Old 11-03-2019, 10:01 AM   #5
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I agree, it’s known fake
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Old 11-03-2019, 11:25 AM   #6
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I agree with the guys above, clever make, but 100% fake!
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Old 11-04-2019, 10:59 AM   #7
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Thanks everyone! I appreciate the feedback very much!
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