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Old 07-27-2019, 05:42 PM   #1
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Default Prussian Pickelhaube P.R. 30

Just wanted to share this one, as it is my first ever helmet of this type. Came from a 50+ years old collection and looks untouched with original chinstrap.
There was also few gasmasks with it - but as You Guys know they are all sold
hope You like it !

30 P.R. should be: http://genwiki.genealogy.net/PB_30

or maybe 30 Rekrutendepot Pionier Bataillon which should be a part of 30. Pionier Regiment anyway
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Old 07-27-2019, 05:44 PM   #2
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few more pics.

cool thing about this one is also the size - 58 - thats big for a pickelhaube I believe
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Old 07-28-2019, 03:11 PM   #3
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Mike,

To my knowledge, the Engineer (Pioniere) Battalions wore the same helmet as Infantry Troops, but the hardware was "white-copper".

I have an identical M15 Prussian J.R. 30 as yours pictured above, with same hard to decipher markings. If you like, I don't mind posting pictures of it.

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Old 07-29-2019, 04:52 PM   #4
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I think this is a standard M15 pickelhaube for an infantry regiment.
Pionier units were never larger than battalion size; no regiments.

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Old 07-29-2019, 09:13 PM   #5
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I think this is a standard M15 pickelhaube for an infantry regiment.
Pionier units were never larger than battalion size; no regiments.

Bob Shoaf
Bob, its clearly stamped P.R.30 - also follow the link I attached - it shows even a plate for Pionier Regiment 30 dedicated to all killed during the war.
also this:
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Old 07-29-2019, 09:25 PM   #6
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I don't see it clearly marked P.R. 30. Can you post a picture of the marking upright, not sideways please?

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similar markings...
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Old 07-30-2019, 03:00 AM   #8
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Nice helmets
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Old 07-30-2019, 02:20 PM   #9
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Chuck !! here is the stamps
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Old 07-30-2019, 08:20 PM   #10
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Of course there were pioneer regiments. Not only this one, but the Garde Res.Pion.Rgt., the 35th and 36th Pionier (Gas) Regiments.
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Appreciate the additional pictures Mike, thank you. It is clearly stamped P.R. 30, however; your chart in post #5 clearly reads, "Rekrutendepot Pionier Bataillon". I have seen these stamped P.B. 30, and if I can find the pictures I will post them. Either way, an excellent helmet.

Chip, I would like to see your reference in regards to the existence of Pioneer Regiment 30, maybe I will learn something new:

Prussian 30th (4th Rhenish) Infantry "Count Werder" Regiment

Germany - First World War

Imperial German Army pioneers (Pioniere) were regarded as a separate combat arm trained in construction and the demolition of fortifications, but they were often used as specialist infantry, serving the role of combat engineers.[24]

One battalion was assigned to each Corps.
• The Guard Pioneer Battalion 1. (6 companies, each with 20 large and 18 small flame-throwers)
• The Guard Pioneer Battalion 2.
• The Guard Pioneer Battalion 3.
• The Guard Reserve Pioneer Battalion – created from reservists who had been civilian firemen, the battalion was issued with experimental flame-throwers
• 1st Bavarian Pioneer Battalion, First Bavarian Division (12 destruction squads)
• 2nd Bavarian Pioneer Battalion

Prussian Army pioneer battalions:
• 1 Prussian Pioneer Battalion of the Guards – 3 Field companies, one Reserve company
• 12 Prussian Pioneer Battalions of the Line (18 officers, 495 men and 6 other people)
o 2nd Pioneer Battalion at Stettin
o 4th Pioneer Battalion at Magdeburg
• Saxon Pioneer Battalion

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Charlie,

I can't post pictures here. Send me your email address via private message and I will forward the information. If you just want to read it yourself, here is a link.

Read the section under "Formationsgeschichte".

http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/PB_30
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