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Old 05-01-2013, 09:47 PM   #1
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These have sadly escaped independent discussion, and I feel are a difficult to find and very unique uniform item for the Russian Army of Liberation formations.

These caps are cut very much like an Italian service cap, but from German materials. I have never seen these in photographs, and am wondering if anyone has any period photos showing this style cap in wear, or any other examples in collections.

Does anyone know if these were supposed to have insignia? If so, what type would be appropriate for these POA (ROA) caps?

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Old 05-01-2013, 09:49 PM   #2
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:50 PM   #3
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:52 PM   #4
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German made - just like the rest of the ROA specially designed uniforms. Does anyone else have one of these, or any examples of them in wear?

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Old 05-02-2013, 12:55 AM   #5
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I do believe i have a couple of photos in my humble archive Sir.

Yes i want to buy your cap
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Like you see they do not have insignia on these photos.
Photo 1: You see the smiling young man closest to the photograph has a cap like yours,- No insignia.
Photo 2: The two soldiers closest to the camera have no insignia on their caps either.

Now you can relax with your coffe Robert, and knowing the photos does exist.
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:48 AM   #6
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Trondk, I am delighted you found and archived these photos. They do indeed show this cap in wear.

Any idea where these photos may have been taken?

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Old 05-02-2013, 08:54 AM   #7
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Im not 100% sure Robert, but i believe someone said the first one was taken in 44 when they where taken prisoner by the Allied in France. But please dont arrest me on this.

There is a very big chance some other WAF member with more detailed info can help you with that part.



I remember a older thread here on WAF where people also discussed the use of this cap. I found the photos already back then, but i forgot all about it until you opened this thread today.
this is the reason for me guarding these two photos, so i could show them to the owner of the cap. But since i am demented- i totally forgot all about it.

But- Better late than never.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:04 AM   #8
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France would make sense, since that is where the Russian-cut tunics and uniform items were said to have been issued and worn. I'm sure they made it to other theaters as well.

What I find interesting is that these caps look decidedly un-slavic. Other than being made somewhat like a furrless Kubanka, the straps going over the top of the head look Italian to me. And if the uniform designers for the Russian / slavic volunteers showed deference to Russian uniform styles in the design of the tunic and trousers - both of which show strong Russian influence in their design - why did the "matching" cap look so non-slavic?

The uniform that went with these looks like a Russian uniform with light German features. If the cap designed for this uniform was also supposed to follow Russian design, why not a pilotka or sidecap type?

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Just reviving an old thread. I recently got this photo, taken, I believe in Serbia. The ROA-type caps look like they have metal cockades. Of note, also, are the plain dark-coloured collar patches on the NCO's tunic. Hopefully it is of some interest and of some help,
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Old 06-01-2019, 10:11 AM   #10
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IMO yes, photo was taken in Serbia, looks Serbian military cap.

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Old 06-01-2019, 04:47 PM   #11
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Textbook ROA cap IMO Robert..Billbert
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NONE of the photos posted show the cap from the start of the thread.
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:38 AM   #13
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NONE of the photos posted show the cap from the start of the thread.
Only the post 5 is showing italian side caps with "visor" in the front .
The other pics are POA side caps .
I do have a mint one like the one posted in my boxes .
I'll try to do some pics .
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Old 06-04-2019, 10:15 AM   #14
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I agree, and I appreciate attempts to provide pictures of this elusive cap in wear.

Nick, did your cap come from the same lot as mine? Same RB number? I know there was a second cap (or two) in the lot along with the overcoat and blouse.

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Old 06-04-2019, 12:03 PM   #15
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Robert,
There were 4 or 5 of the caps in the ebay lot that Gerard picked up. If I remember the first cap went on ebay super cheap $115- and then he got the rest. I bid on the tunic that you ended up getting.

I have never seen another of the caps, and so hard to tell from period pictures if they are those or different style or color. I think as far as insignia maybe only a cockade? Does not seem like they added too much, and not sure they followed regulations on uniforms too much. You see different volunteer tabs, heer tabs, no tabs, shields on different arms, etc...so tons of variation.


Do you have the trousers for the set?
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