wehrmacht awards


Go Back   Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums > Wehrmacht Era Militaria > Kriegsmarine War and Qualification Badges

View Poll Results: Bacqueville Kriegsmarine Badges are...
...perfectly acceptable as originals for me 266 49.08%
...a postwar invention, all are fakes 110 20.30%
...something I cannot make my mind up about either way 112 20.66%
...who the Facqueville? What is it? 54 9.96%
Voters: 542. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes

Old 03-03-2018, 03:58 PM   #331
Dietrich Maerz
Administrator
 
Dietrich Maerz's Avatar
 
Dietrich Maerz is offline
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: USA Lifetime Member #089
Posts: 13,182
Default

Norm,

as Jo pointed out several times in the movie, if the French badges would be injection-mold castings the surface would mirror the surface of the steel-made mold. A steel mold is machined and polished not only to give the part a nice surface (which is the case for the examples you presented) but also to make the ejection process easy. If the steel mold would have sucha rough surface Jo is showing in the video, the part might never come out. And nobody would ever engrave another wave into the reverse die if it is a steel mold. I have no idea anyway how that happened and what the purpose could be ...
Furthermore, with a steel mold you don't have the pimples and craters that the French badges have. They show all the signs of sand casting or at least signs of an extremely sloppy mold, surely not machined out of steel.

Dietrich
__________________
B&D PUBLISHING
Premium Books from Collectors for Collectors
 

Old 03-03-2018, 04:15 PM   #332
swjXE
Member
 
swjXE is online now
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: usa
Posts: 317
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dietrich Maerz View Post
Norm,

as Jo pointed out several times in the movie, if the French badges would be injection-mold castings the surface would mirror the surface of the steel-made mold. A steel mold is machined and polished not only to give the part a nice surface (which is the case for the examples you presented) but also to make the ejection process easy. If the steel mold would have sucha rough surface Jo is showing in the video, the part might never come out. And nobody would ever engrave another wave into the reverse die if it is a steel mold. I have no idea anyway how that happened and what the purpose could be ...
Furthermore, with a steel mold you don't have the pimples and craters that the French badges have. They show all the signs of sand casting or at least signs of an extremely sloppy mold, surely not machined out of steel.

Dietrich
It looks like we're going to have to start the poll all over again.
 

Old 03-03-2018, 04:19 PM   #333
Norm F
Moderator
 
Norm F's Avatar
 
Norm F is offline
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 10,667
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by swjXE View Post
It looks like we're going to have to start the poll all over again.
Already done.
New Poll: The "French-made" KM badges are...

Go and vote!

Best regards,
---Norm
 

Old 03-04-2018, 04:38 PM   #334
Norm F
Moderator
 
Norm F's Avatar
 
Norm F is offline
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 10,667
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dietrich Maerz View Post
If the steel mold would have such a rough surface Jo is showing in the video, the part might never come out. And nobody would ever engrave another wave into the reverse die if it is a steel mold. I have no idea anyway how that happened and what the purpose could be ...
Another interesting observation one can make about that French-made S-Boat design is that there were at least two distinct casting production runs. All examples fall neatly into one or the other of the two types illustrated here. The one featured on Jo Rivett's video was a Type 1.

So someone not only made a batch of badges against Präsidialkanzlei regulations but also went on to make a whole other batch of them.

Best regards,
---Norm
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Type1.jpg (240.5 KB, 298 views)
File Type: jpg Type2.jpg (238.4 KB, 303 views)
 

Old 03-04-2018, 04:44 PM   #335
Norm F
Moderator
 
Norm F's Avatar
 
Norm F is offline
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 10,667
Default

Later, cast copies of the Type 1 appeared -- generally referred to as "copies of copies", depending how you look upon the "original" type. (When the Weitze watermarked example on the left was pointed out to them, they promptly removed that offering from their site.)
Attached Images
File Type: jpg repros.jpg (240.4 KB, 301 views)
 
Closed Thread

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Naval Airship Badges USGI Imperial Militaria Forum 82 06-04-2010 06:55 AM
Same wreath on many different badges ??? Robert P. Luftwaffe War and Qualification Badges (Tim Calvert's Eagles Nest) 15 01-10-2003 09:15 PM
Adolf Hitler NSDAP pin Ralph A Tinnies & Political Badges Forum 4 09-04-2002 05:48 PM






vBulletin skins developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright Wehrmacht-Awards.com