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Belt of a veteran
Old 11-09-2019, 06:28 AM   #1
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hello
i got this belt of a german veteran who collect in wartime this badges of KIA enemies. maybe it is possible to verify the units?
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Old 11-09-2019, 06:59 AM   #2
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Splendid!
I love these they are a time capsule

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Old 11-09-2019, 12:19 PM   #3
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I don't see a lot of unit badges, I see occupational specialty badges such as engineers, medical, artillery etc. from commonwealth countries.
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:31 PM   #4
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They look to be from Belgium and possibly The Netherlands, with a single button from the USA.


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Old 11-09-2019, 05:44 PM   #5
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Yep nothing British there . Rob
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Old 11-17-2019, 10:12 AM   #6
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Agreed: the vast majority appear to be Belgian.

BTW, one of the more persistent myths of 20th century military collecting revolves around these so called 'Hate Belts'. No, they did not represent all the units from which the wearer had killed men. Sorry. Great story but wrong.

These began in the late Victorian period with British units garrisoned in Indian and elsewhere in the Empire. Strictly unofficial and worn for 'walking out' [IE: going down to the pub] they showed all the units which the owner had been brigaded with, passed in a train station or otherwise encountered and the badges were traded or sold, not stripped from bodies. Early British examples often contain only British badges.

This German belt was, I'd guess, put together by a Soldat stationed in Belgium who may or may not have been a front line fighter but, even if he was, also had access to POWs, others who had met Belgians and to flee markets. Among POWs, badges could be a currency - 3 cigarettes for a collar dog and so on. All that siad, this is a lovley example of this kind of belt. I'm very jealous!
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Old 11-17-2019, 04:39 PM   #7
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They were also put together by guys on burial duty , taking badges and shoulder straps off poor demised Germans in WW1 so I have heard. Rob
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Old 11-17-2019, 07:31 PM   #8
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The WWI belts were either put together by Allied veterans as souvenirs, or were done by local communities who had turned it into a cottage industry for sale to soldiers.
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Old 11-18-2019, 08:20 AM   #9
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They were also put together by guys on burial duty , taking badges and shoulder straps off poor demised Germans in WW1 so I have heard. Rob
Keep hearing some more

Another myth.

Having read a few reports/diaries/letters by the guys on burail duty did not have the time and or inclination to put such things together.


Peter is quite correct the 'hate belt' predates The Great War by some decades.

The etymogy the term 'hate belt' is most likely a corruption of the word

'08 belt' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1908_Pattern_Webbing

Say '08 Belt' in a good northern accent it comes out

'ate belt.

or to us non-native english speaker

'hate-belt'
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Old 11-18-2019, 09:08 AM   #10
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"The etymogy the term 'hate belt' is most likely a corruption of the word

'08 belt' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1908_Pattern_Webbing

Say '08 Belt' in a good northern accent it comes out

'ate belt."

Never thought of that! Very interesting and even plausible.
Or, like many 'folk etymologies' it may have been made up from whole cloth.

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Old 11-18-2019, 10:37 AM   #11
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Whta is the width of this belt ? Looks like french if 50 mm width.
The two guns with a knight helmet are for french tankers. Some number maybe also.
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Old 11-19-2019, 09:27 AM   #12
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08 Belt hate belt sounds plausible, today though they are Hate belts. I have a few myself and they are very cool . Rob
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Old 11-20-2019, 01:46 PM   #13
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Hi to all, this is a Belgian Belt used during the German invasion in 1940. All badges are common Belgian badges. The numbers are regiment numbers, some are speciality badges and rank badges.
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Old 11-20-2019, 01:51 PM   #14
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I also see badges of different regiment-branches: infantry, cyclists, medical, airport-ground-troops, engeneers, Anti-aircraft, artillerie, armoured... regiments
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Old 11-20-2019, 02:05 PM   #15
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Whta is the width of this belt ? Looks like french if 50 mm width.
The two guns with a knight helmet are for french tankers. Some number maybe also.
Indeed the French used this badge too, but the Belgians had the same badge for armoured crew. With all the other badges beeing 100% Belgian, this one must be too. Probably picked them all up in a POW-camp.

The belt is Belgian too. It is visible because of the three lines of stitching at the end.
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