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Old 03-18-2017, 04:46 PM   #1
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Hi ,I will appreciate your opinion on this medal
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Old 03-19-2017, 02:59 AM   #2
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A bronze Medal with Latin script,

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Old 03-19-2017, 10:32 AM   #3
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Old 03-19-2017, 12:01 PM   #4
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That statement confused me.

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Old 03-19-2017, 12:50 PM   #5
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The script on the reverse of the German Medal of Merit as seen in note #1 and in the second photo in note #4 is known as Fraktur or German Gothic Lettering; the script on the reverse of the first medal in note #4 is Latin. The change from Fraktur (or from Sütterlin) to Latin script is reflective of the general simplification of typefaces promulgated from 1941 onward.

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The script on the reverse of the German Medal of Merit as seen in note #1 and in the second photo in note #4 is known as Fraktur or German Gothic Lettering; the script on the reverse of the first medal in note #4 is Latin. The change from Fraktur (or from Sütterlin) to Latin script is reflective of the general simplification of typefaces promulgated from 1941 onward.

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Supposedly, they discovered in 1941, that Jewish printers had designed Fraktur script whenever, and the change over in 1941 to Roman lettering was universal. Even to award documents.

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Old 03-19-2017, 03:48 PM   #7
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is it me or are the right hand side of the eagles wings not attached to the body .
Eagles necks look a little odd as well as the pomel to the end of the sword should be more rounded .also ring looks an odd unfinished shape ...
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Yes, I know, Gary...but I'm sure it had more to do with the use of Sütterlin for military purposes and directions -- who could read that stuff anyway?!

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Monty Python sang at the Hollywood Bowl "How great it is to be an idiot" and that's me, I meant of course Gothic . Perhaps the change from Gotic to Latin started in 1941, but the December issue of Uniformenmarkt is actually in Gotic and Latin starts with the January issue of Uniformenzeitung 1943.

The change to Latin on DAO Medals was introduced (as far as we know) with the new regulations of 27 December 1943.

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Yes, I know, Gary...but I'm sure it had more to do with the use of Sütterlin for military purposes and directions -- who could read that stuff anyway?!

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My limited understanding was that Sutterlin was a style of handwriting.

Fraktur was a type face not used for handwriting, the printed word only.

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Old 03-20-2017, 07:59 AM   #11
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Thanks, Gary, and I agree that Fraktur was not a script or general handwriting style; it was used for calligraphy and printing. Sütterlin was a handwriting style, but it was so universal that it also became used in printing -- I've seen post card texts and street signs in Sütterlin, and IMO they're very difficult to read by most anyone that was not taught as a young person in that style, and that's why the official style was changed to Latin.

As I understand it, Sütterlin was taught in all German schools from 1915 until 1941.

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Here's another piece of history: The DAL -- the "Dienstaltersliste der Schutzstaffel der NSDAP" or the SS list of officers -- was published in Fraktur through the 1.12.1938 edition (which included a list of corrections dated 15.5.1939), but the next edition, dated 30.1.1942, and later lists, were all published in Latin script.

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Thank you all for your time and help
The medal i posted for opinion its a reproduction ?
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