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Old 04-26-2019, 04:13 PM   #841
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Hello, can this box be a ww2 era one ? Thank you for your feedback.


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Old 04-26-2019, 05:58 PM   #842
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It's always difficult to date these unless there's a catalogue, Third Reich image on the can etc. The museum in Nuremberg has a similar one that they date 1900-1930. Only one picture though. It would take more research to confirm but that's part of the joy of collecting. There are a number of hits on Google for Gebr Seim .

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Old 04-27-2019, 02:15 AM   #843
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It's always difficult to date these unless there's a catalogue, Third Reich image on the can etc. The museum in Nuremberg has a similar one that they date 1900-1930. Only one picture though. It would take more research to confirm but that's part of the joy of collecting. There are a number of hits on Google for Gebr Seim .

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Hello, yes a lot of hits, some say 30's... But nothing very serious with clues. Brother Seim dies in 1947, but were replaced by two brother, there sons...so hard to date.
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Hi!


Can you tell me more about those bottles, please?

I know that one is Luftwaffe, but what was if for? (marked on the bottom: MLG / 0,33l / Db)

And what about those Carlsbergs? Those are marked "40" (made in 1940?) and have swastika on the cap and on the bottom.

Any information about those will be helpful, also - are those of any value?


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Can you tell me more about those bottles, please?

I know that one is Luftwaffe, but what was if for? (marked on the bottom: MLG / 0,33l / Db)

And what about those Carlsbergs? Those are marked "40" (made in 1940?) and have swastika on the cap and on the bottom.

Any information about those will be helpful, also - are those of any value?


The LW bottle is for beer purchased through what I call the PX system. Marktendenware (spelling). The Carlsberg bottles are also for beer. The swastika has nothing to do with the National Socialist party. The LW bottles sell for $100+. The Carlsberg bottles are fairly common. I don't think they command a lot of money. Jim
Among the longest-lasting legacies of Nazism is the residual stain they left on the swastika, which up until 1933 represented life, prosperity and good fortune in various cultures around the world. When the Carlsberg brewing company expanded, J.C. Jacobsen adopted a 12-pointed star logo for his labels, while Carl Jacobsen adopted a swastika, sometimes with four dots within its arms and sometimes not, as the logo for “Ny Carlsberg” (“New Carlsberg”) beer—a reference to the purity of its ingredients. After 1906 the two were often combined, with the swastika within the star. By 1940, however, the rise of Nazi Germany and its perverted interpretation of “purity” had led Carlsberg to abandon the swastika permanently—and the subsequent German occupation pretty much assured that it would not be re-adopted
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Hi Jim,


Thanks for the fast reply and all the information!
That is really some interesting stuff about the Carlsberg and the swastika - I honestly thought it was something more directly related to the Reich

Can you explain me some more about the "PX system" ?
Do you have any idea what "MLG" or "Db" marking mean on the LW bottle?


Regarding the Carlsbergs... Hitler invaded Denmark in 1940, so I thought those were made during the Nazi occupation. I found almost identical here from 1942 (? - they are marked "42")
https://therupturedduck.com/products...rg-beer-bottle
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Hi Jim,


Thanks for the fast reply and all the information!
That is really some interesting stuff about the Carlsberg and the swastika - I honestly thought it was something more directly related to the Reich

Can you explain me some more about the "PX system" ?
Do you have any idea what "MLG" or "Db" marking mean on the LW bottle?


Regarding the Carlsbergs... Hitler invaded Denmark in 1940, so I thought those were made during the Nazi occupation. I found almost identical here from 1942 (? - they are marked "42")
https://therupturedduck.com/products...rg-beer-bottle
I believe the MLG markings may have to do with the bottle manufacturers, but I'm not 100% certain.

Beer continued to be manufacturered during the occupation. Heres an interesting article.

http://breweryhistory.com/journal/ar...ergCartels.pdf

PX is a U. S. term for post exchange. The German equivalent was the Kantine but in the field it could be a simple room. It was tied to to the normal supply system as far as obtaining items. The items were purchased by the soldier as opposed to being issued. Most of the items were of a personal nature like writing paper, pencils, unit souvenirs etc. which weren't issued to the soldier. But items like cigarettes were often stocked for soldiers who exceeded their standard ration. Food products weren't generally included as part of the stockage list covered by regulations. However Kantines did stock chocolate, dextrose, wine etc. Most likely the unit worked out a local procurement arrangement. Both my ration books provide a more detailed description of the system. Jim
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