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Old 09-19-2007, 08:51 AM   #91
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Chris, you have definatly a great collections of tornisters!

Here's a used 1941 dated M34 backpack from my collection. Produced by Robert Larsen out of Berlin. Straps (IMHO period attached) have aluminum hooks and rings, pack has metal hardware.

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3. Looks like ID related information was scratched away.
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nice backpack . but it's not m 34 !! It's m 39 backpack.
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nice backpack . but it's not m 34 !! It's m 39 backpack.
yes indeed, this is a M39 Tornister issued to all troops that weren't issued Y-straps.
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Old 09-19-2007, 04:40 PM   #96
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What does give away that this is a M39 backpack then?

I always was told (and still believe)

M34 : with shoulder-straps
M39 : with hooks to use them with Y-straps


Am I missing something?

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Old 09-19-2007, 05:08 PM   #97
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What does give away that this is a M39 backpack then?

I always was told (and still believe)

M34 : with shoulder-straps
M39 : with hooks to use them with Y-straps


Am I missing something?

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Hello Jan,
yes you missing something...
M34 had carrying straps and an internal pouch for the messkit. There are two versions of M39 (both without the MK pouch), the one intented for troops that were issued Y-Straps (ex : infanterie) which come with hooks to maintain it on the Y-straps, and the one with carrying straps for the troops with no Y-straps. The latest needed straps to carry it so it has the attached straps...
the leather strap stitched on the M39 flap was used to maintain the A-frame (with the two D-ring at the top. This feature is present on both versions of the M39. That may sound silly concerning the troops that weren't issued Y-straps, because no Y-straps, no A-frame, but as carrying straps and hooks are removable and interchangeable, finally it makes sense

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Old 09-19-2007, 07:06 PM   #98
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yes you missing something...
M34 had carrying straps and an internal pouch for the messkit. There are two versions of M39 (both without the MK pouch), the one intented for troops that were issued Y-Straps (ex : infanterie) which come with hooks to maintain it on the Y-straps, and the one with carrying straps for the troops with no Y-straps. The latest needed straps to carry it so it has the attached straps...
the leather strap stitched on the M39 flap was used to maintain the A-frame (with the two D-ring at the top. This feature is present on both versions of the M39. That may sound silly concerning the troops that weren't issued Y-straps, because no Y-straps, no A-frame, but as carrying straps and hooks are removable and interchangeable, finally it makes sense

I was missing quiet a lot apparently.

Thanks a lot JP for the fine explication!

I never knew that the little leather strap on the cover-flap was an indicator for the Model 39 Tornister.

I'll remember it like this now :

M34 : MK pouch inside
M39 : leather strap on flap

Thanks again!

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Old 09-20-2007, 06:16 AM   #99
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yep. JPhilip said everything you need to know about german backpack m 34 and m 39. I have nothing to add .
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Jan and John-Philip, thanks for posting thos great tornisters, and thanks to everyone who added information about tornisters to this thread. Now I will take this thread in perhaps a slightly new direction with photos of some rucksacks from my collection. Rucksacks are a little bit of a mystery to me. Here is a 1939 dated example, I am not sure what this particular type was for. It has no hooks for attachment to the belt.
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The back, showing the leather straps that connect to the hooks at the corners of the packs. All the hardware is aluminum.
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The 1939 date and maker mark are stamped on the leather inside the pack. One name appears to be scratched out and another written over it, indicating use by perhaps at least two soldiers during the war. I have seen speculation that this may be a type of Gebirgsjaeger pack but I am not sure.
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Here is another example of the same type of pack, this one is devoid of markings. The leather is brown, but the steel hardware and rough fabric indicate wartime manufacture.
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The leather shoulder straps have steel hooks to connect to the D-rings on the ammunition pouches. One of the auxiliary straps is missing.
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Old 09-29-2007, 12:25 AM   #105
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Here is what I would consider to be the standard late-war Heer rucksack. These are easy to find in mint unissued condition. This one is marked with an RB number and is made from three different shades of canvas! The A-Frame or late-war small rucksack can be attached to this pack.
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