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Old 05-06-2016, 06:21 AM   #16
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Yes, I found a reference to the after action report of the raid which is filed in the library of the University of Norwich, England. Unfortunately the files are not accessible electronically, to consult them I will have to go there or find somebody that can retrieve the file for me.... The file should contain aerial photographs of the aftermath of the raid, I am hoping I can recognise a Sd.Kfz 251 in one of them...

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Hi,

amazing work !!!!


So the best could be to find aerial reconnaissance pictures taken after the raid ?
Is it known if they still exist ? The RAF did a post-attack mission for sure.

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Old 05-06-2016, 11:10 AM   #17
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I was thinking a bomb would be able to rip a halftrack up and remove the radio rack, but the damage in such a case would likely be much more severe.
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Old 05-06-2016, 11:30 AM   #18
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Indeed, there would have been significant shrapnel damage. If a bomb fell close to the Sd.Kfz.251, the armour would have deflected most of the blast and shrapnel, but the vehicle would probably be partly ripped apart. Again it would be nice to see the after action report, this might reveal some of the damage inflicted.

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Old 05-07-2016, 04:36 PM   #19
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Send me the details.....might be able to help
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Old 05-08-2016, 08:13 AM   #20
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Send me the details.....might be able to help
Thanks for the offer, I have to re-trace my document search as I seem to have lost my notes.

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Old 05-08-2016, 10:04 AM   #21
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Hello FS
Nice description and story ,our common friend had send me pictures of this rack , i had identify the 80 ws box , suppose there was also a MWEC part of instalation , nothing more .you are right the 251/3 or 251/6 was probably killed by typhoons .
The first typhoons were with 12 cal 303 browning MG fitted
Latter on they are replaced by 20 mm guns , 645 rounds per min
Different shells , explosive , armor piercing or phosphorus , I think
The term shell is better then bullet .
I find a very interesting detail about this story , in the book written
By Charles DEMOULIN DFC squadron leader of 609 group , his book
Mes oiseaux de feux ( FIREBIRDS) written a long time after war in
1982 from his log book , some small mistakes, he places the attack on Lacaine in july in place of 09 june 44
Just after D day he flights 2-3 times a day for mission in Normandy
Aera from an airfield B7 or B8 near Bayeux ( VASSIEUX) ??
He describes the attack he do on a small castle not far from VIRE
He knows his target is a small castle where german has a headquarter , when arriving on target there was a row of staff vehicules with a flag
he decides to begin attacking the cars , and asks help to
Others typhoon , they destroy the colum , and then openfire on
The tanks , halftracks and cars laying just near castle .
Later on he receives infos from Canadian troops , that they found
Graves with name of general von Dawans , 2 majors , 14 officers and other rank , buried near the castel of La caine
When searching on Wikipedia , we find that von Dawans was killed
On 9th june , and the other commander is wounded .
I make a scan of the pages and will join it to the post
About rack , I bought some time ago a special unknow big rack
It’s in same fashion as the 251/6 rack it carry a frame for
A 30 ws psu and a second one for MWEc , but there is place
Enough for other power supply or a 30 ws I guess it’s from
251/3 ..6 or other as in german tank book they says they are
8 differents radio installation possible
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:59 AM   #22
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Thanks for the offer, I have to re-trace my document search as I seem to have lost my notes.

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Right, I think I found the reference again:

SZ/BAU/41 Survey of the results of an air attack on HQ Fifth Panzer Army, La Caine July 1944 1945

They are part of the archives of the RAF BOMBING ANALYSIS UNIT 1939-1975 and are contained in the Zuckerman archive of the University of East Anglia. I believe this is situated in Norwich.

The reference is contained in this list: http://www.lib.uea.ac.uk/lib/libinf/...kerman/bau.htm

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Old 05-08-2016, 12:10 PM   #23
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Hello FS
Nice description and story ,our common friend had send me pictures of this rack , i had identify the 80 ws box , suppose there was also a MWEC part of instalation , nothing more .you are right the 251/3 or 251/6 was probably killed by typhoons .
The first typhoons were with 12 cal 303 browning MG fitted
Latter on they are replaced by 20 mm guns , 645 rounds per min
Different shells , explosive , armor piercing or phosphorus , I think
The term shell is better then bullet .
I find a very interesting detail about this story , in the book written
By Charles DEMOULIN DFC squadron leader of 609 group , his book
Mes oiseaux de feux ( FIREBIRDS) written a long time after war in
1982 from his log book , some small mistakes, he places the attack on Lacaine in july in place of 09 june 44
Just after D day he flights 2-3 times a day for mission in Normandy
Aera from an airfield B7 or B8 near Bayeux ( VASSIEUX) ??
He describes the attack he do on a small castle not far from VIRE
He knows his target is a small castle where german has a headquarter , when arriving on target there was a row of staff vehicules with a flag
he decides to begin attacking the cars , and asks help to
Others typhoon , they destroy the colum , and then openfire on
The tanks , halftracks and cars laying just near castle .
Later on he receives infos from Canadian troops , that they found
Graves with name of general von Dawans , 2 majors , 14 officers and other rank , buried near the castel of La caine
When searching on Wikipedia , we find that von Dawans was killed
On 9th june , and the other commander is wounded .
I make a scan of the pages and will join it to the post
About rack , I bought some time ago a special unknow big rack
It’s in same fashion as the 251/6 rack it carry a frame for
A 30 ws psu and a second one for MWEc , but there is place
Enough for other power supply or a 30 ws I guess it’s from
251/3 ..6 or other as in german tank book they says they are
8 differents radio installation possible
pierre
Here is the reference Tornfute mentioned for our French readers. Indeed the author mixes up different operations. The attack in the Caumont-Vire area was probably in support of operation Bluecoat, which started on 30 July. I think the main Panzer unit in that area was the 2nd Panzer Division. I do not doubt that German Vehicle columns were short up during that operation, but not any major HQ's.

 photo la caine 1 001_zpszmr29pme.jpg

 photo lacaine2 001_zps1axbgguy.jpg

I am interested to see photographs of the rack you describe, it sounds like it is the outer rack, which contained the Umformers mounted on the back.

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Old 05-16-2016, 10:26 AM   #24
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Right, I think I found the reference again:

SZ/BAU/41 Survey of the results of an air attack on HQ Fifth Panzer Army, La Caine July 1944 1945

They are part of the archives of the RAF BOMBING ANALYSIS UNIT 1939-1975 and are contained in the Zuckerman archive of the University of East Anglia. I believe this is situated in Norwich.

The reference is contained in this list: http://www.lib.uea.ac.uk/lib/libinf/...kerman/bau.htm

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Let me know if you still need help with this as I have a few friends at the uea if not I'm only 15 minutes away so could find out if I can go in and look for you?
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Old 05-16-2016, 10:58 AM   #25
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Let me know if you still need help with this as I have a few friends at the uea if not I'm only 15 minutes away so could find out if I can go in and look for you?
Thanks, I can certainly do with some "local knowledge"! If you PM me and let me how we could best do this I would appreciate it.

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Old 05-17-2016, 09:55 AM   #26
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Funksammler,
Great description !!! I found a couple picture similar rack on the radio as "Polish" Sdkfz 251:
http://www.lausitz.estranky.cz/img/original/1/01.jpg
http://www.lausitz.estranky.cz/img/original/2/02.jpg
http://www.lausitz.estranky.cz/img/original/7/07.jpg
http://www.lausitz.estranky.cz/img/original/8/08.jpg

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Old 05-17-2016, 12:44 PM   #27
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Well spotted! It looks like this frame was set up for the 80 W.S. plus two Mw.E.c in the main rack and the Ukw.E.e + 10 W.S.c in the "front" rack. You can just see the two-pin antenna plug for the 10 W.S.c hang down.

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Old 05-17-2016, 01:58 PM   #28
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Yes, I found a reference to the after action report of the raid which is filed in the library of the University of Norwich, England. Unfortunately the files are not accessible electronically, to consult them I will have to go there or find somebody that can retrieve the file for me.... The file should contain aerial photographs of the aftermath of the raid, I am hoping I can recognise a Sd.Kfz 251 in one of them...

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My elder brother is a RAF officer and he lives in Norfolk, just out of Norwich. I could ask him if he can give a hand.

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Old 05-18-2016, 04:44 AM   #29
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My elder brother is a RAF officer and he lives in Norfolk, just out of Norwich. I could ask him if he can give a hand.

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Thanks for offer, at the moment reidmuller is having a go, so let's wait and see if he has any problems. Failing that, perhaps some RAF inside help might work!

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Old 05-21-2016, 08:46 PM   #30
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This is a great post.
Thanks for the work.
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