wehrmacht awards


Go Back   Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums > Wehrmacht Era Militaria > 1957 Medals, Orders and Decorations

1957 Medals, Orders and Decorations Third Reich Awards redesigned in 1957 without National Socialist Emblems, including Post-war and Veteran-related items.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes

Souval KVK1
Old 06-17-2017, 09:43 AM   #1
Nigel N
Moderator
 
Nigel N's Avatar
 
Nigel N is online now
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Yorkshire/ England
Posts: 12,095
Default Souval KVK1

As far as I know, this is about as close as Souval ever got to making a 57 KVK1...
(There are a few cast examples, with central "1939" date, which may be later Souval's, but I haven't had the chance to examine one to be sure!!!)
So, this type is very similar to a standard postwar Souval, but has been de-Nazified at the factory, and the central area, given a pebbled finish, to more match the arms of the cross......
DSCF3966.jpg

DSCF3969.jpg
__________________
57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-17-2017, 09:47 AM   #2
Nigel N
Moderator
 
Nigel N's Avatar
 
Nigel N is online now
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Yorkshire/ England
Posts: 12,095
Default

As is typical for these KVK's, it is made of two separate pieces, an obverse, and a reverse section soldered together, polished highlights to the borders of the arms, sword crossguards, and spines of the blades.....
DSCF3967.jpg

DSCF3973.jpg
__________________
57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-17-2017, 09:47 AM   #3
Tom B
Member
 
Tom B is online now
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 8,826
Default

Very interesting example & Info. Thanks Nigel. Tom
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-17-2017, 09:51 AM   #4
Nigel N
Moderator
 
Nigel N's Avatar
 
Nigel N is online now
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Yorkshire/ England
Posts: 12,095
Default

I have seen 3 different pin styles on these, the broad pin, in the same style as that used on early S&L EK's/ DK's etc.
The 2nd style, slimmer S&L type pin, usually MM'd L/58, and this type, to Souval's own design....
DSCF3970.jpg

DSCF3971.jpg
__________________
57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-17-2017, 09:55 AM   #5
Nigel N
Moderator
 
Nigel N's Avatar
 
Nigel N is online now
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Yorkshire/ England
Posts: 12,095
Default

Hingeblocks are solid, catches are normally the thin S&L type, and both are mounted on separate plates beneath, rather than being soldered directly onto the body of the medal!
Here you can clearly see the joint between the front and rear sections of the medal.....not a casting line as some people used to think......
sou2.jpg

sou1.jpg
__________________
57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-17-2017, 09:56 AM   #6
Nigel N
Moderator
 
Nigel N's Avatar
 
Nigel N is online now
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Yorkshire/ England
Posts: 12,095
Default

Finish with a closer look at the central area, showing what a good job they did in making it match the rest of the medal...........
DSCF3974.jpg

-Nigel
__________________
57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-19-2017, 05:24 AM   #7
Nigel N
Moderator
 
Nigel N's Avatar
 
Nigel N is online now
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Yorkshire/ England
Posts: 12,095
Default

4506926816_9681345d5a.jpg
__________________
57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-19-2017, 08:24 AM   #8
Alex W.
Association Member
 
Alex W. is offline
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 2,547
Default

Hi Nigel,

I'm just coming back from a week on a cruise ship, so please excuse my late reply. Not a lack of interest but more of opportunity to reply.
That's a wonderful looking KVK 1st class made by Souval in the denazified variant.
The earliest zinc variants often suffer from faded finish. The early/mid-period KVK1 pieces however are often "packet" with frosting. The more - the better it looks. They usually have high polished edges. In combination with the frosted inner sections of the KVK these pieces are fantastic looking - I only have swastika variants I could show as a comparison.
The KVK 1st class is an underrated award IMO...

Best regards,
Alex
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-19-2017, 08:52 AM   #9
Nigel N
Moderator
 
Nigel N's Avatar
 
Nigel N is online now
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Yorkshire/ England
Posts: 12,095
Default

Thanks Alex ..... I was only joking , but it is disappointing sometimes when we see (what I think of as interesting pieces) something a little different, and no-one shows any interest? That's up to them I guess!!!
Anyway, if you want to show a postwar Souval in its original state, then it will make for a useful comparison!!
Here is another example with the 2nd style S&L pin and L/58 MM.....this one is with Swastika!!!
P1272258.JPG
__________________
57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-19-2017, 09:13 AM   #10
Borzadow
Member
 
Borzadow's Avatar
 
Borzadow is offline
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Oberschlesien
Posts: 1,919
Default

What a GREAT piece !!!

I always like Souvals, especially those converted ones!
It's quite easy to find factory a de-nazified EK, but KVK... and with mark... !!!

Congrats
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-19-2017, 10:03 AM   #11
Alex W.
Association Member
 
Alex W. is offline
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 2,547
Default

Here is one of mine. It a KVK 1st class of mid production period, made around 1965 and stamped L/58.
While the zinc pieces were produced earlier, they almost always suffer from faded finish. These mid production pieces made of Buntmetall really show what a nice type of finishing was still available in this postwar period. The heavy frosting it so thick - while the heavy polished edges are a fantastic contrast.
It came as part of a group of awards that were/are still wrapped in old shop cellophane.













  Reply With Quote

Old 06-19-2017, 10:54 AM   #12
pattex
Member
 
pattex's Avatar
 
pattex is offline
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Germany
Posts: 546
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nigel N View Post
As is typical for these KVK's, it is made of two separate pieces, an obverse, and a reverse section soldered together, polished highlights to the borders of the arms, sword crossguards, and spines of the blades.....
Hello Nigel,
to be honest I only could see a one piece construction or what do you mean with "two separate pieces"?

best regards
Pattex
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-19-2017, 10:59 AM   #13
Alex W.
Association Member
 
Alex W. is offline
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 2,547
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pattex View Post
Hello Nigel,
to be honest I only could see a one piece construction or what do you mean with "two separate pieces"?

best regards
Pattex
Looking at the reverse side pics of the KVK post by Nigel it clearly shows the seam of two seperate parts used....
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-19-2017, 11:29 AM   #14
Chet Sowersby
Lifetime Member
 
Chet Sowersby's Avatar
 
Chet Sowersby is offline
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: USA
Posts: 9,206
Default

Alex,
That Souval example you posted is stunning!

Chet
__________________
Life is too short for rusty EKs.....
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-19-2017, 11:49 AM   #15
pattex
Member
 
pattex's Avatar
 
pattex is offline
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Germany
Posts: 546
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex W. View Post
Looking at the reverse side pics of the KVK post by Nigel it clearly shows the seam of two seperate parts used....
Hello,
I hope that contrary views are also welcome .

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nigel N View Post
Here you can clearly see the joint between the front and rear sections of the medal.....not a casting line as some people used to think......
From my perspective this is definite a casting line. It makes no sense to produce a front and rear section, also from an economic aspect point of view.

You could find this casting line also on the most KCs of the KVK by Souval.

In addition to this, a soldering area will never go to the outside of the piece, as you can see it in the pictures - please compare the soldering of an iron cross for example.

best regards
Pattex
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump






vBulletin skins developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright Wehrmacht-Awards.com