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Old 05-21-2020, 08:26 PM   #1
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I have been wondering for a a while, when was the production period for the Ritterkreuz, from 1957 from 2020, when was each frame made? When was the first pattern stopped and the second pattern began?
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There is a well known photo in Krantz's " Orden & Ehrenzeichen" book of 1958, which shows both core types, so the 2nd pattern must have existed in at least prototype form back then!
I think S&L went with the 1st pattern core, until the die was getting worn, and then switched to the 2nd pattern in the early to mid 60's.....
The frame again become worn after many years of use, and they switched to the D frame in the 80's, it is probably a continuation of the C frame, rather than a whole new die!..... this type has lasted up till today....
I am still not convinced they have ceased production!!
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Old 05-22-2020, 11:09 AM   #3
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Why would they cease production?

I do not believe they did.

There is still money to made selling these modern copies to collectors.

I would guess that there are not too many of the old guard left to buy this stuff.

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Old 05-22-2020, 12:13 PM   #4
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Why would they cease production?

I do not believe they did.

There is still money to made selling these modern copies to collectors.

I would guess that there are not too many of the old guard left to buy this stuff.

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Only thing in my opinion that would stop them, is if the core or frame dies were no longer usable, and they didn't think it was worth making a new one??
They probably have several working dies of each anyway to fall back on!!
As you said Wayne, there is still money to be made from these, and of course, while there is still one WW2 veteran alive, they still have an excuse to make them, not that they really need an excuse!!!
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Yeah, there are also a few ritterkreuzträgers left so they may want one.
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When was the C frame first used?
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Old 05-23-2020, 06:20 AM   #7
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When was the C frame first used?
Early(ish) to mid 60's period
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Early(ish) to mid 60's period
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Early(ish) to mid 60's period
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That’s a difficult question to answer but I’ll have to disagree with you. From my experience the C-frame existed early than that - meaning later 1950’s. I’ve seen it in combination with the swastika core on more than one example - right down to the typical early St&L milky frosted frames.

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That’s a difficult question to answer but I’ll have to disagree with you. From my experience the C-frame existed early than that - meaning later 1950’s. I’ve seen it in combination with the swastika core on more than one example - right down to the typical early St&L milky frosted frames.

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Hi Alex!!
There's no doubt some C frames existed in the 50's, and they may well have been used with Swastika cores, but I was only talking about 57ers, and while it is possible they were used with 57 cores early than I said, I have no evidence for that...
All the 57 RK's I have seen with receipts or purchase dates show B frames up to about 1963.....
But anything is possible, especially with S&L!!!
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I currently have 2 D-frames, one is modern but I don’t know about the other one. Can you guys tell me when this D-frame was made? Thanks!
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D frames in the 80's I believe, possibly mid to later 80's......
Earliest, are of better quality of finish, but all seem to have the sandblasted look to the frame, and the cores painted after assembly!
After hitting a real low with quality in the late 90's/ early 2000's, the one made today have improved somewhat!!
Also, it is worth noting that for a time in the 90's they used 925 silver for the frames instead of 800, again quality of these great, but they do make for an interesting variant should you wish to collect all the different types that S&L made!!
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Old 05-24-2020, 09:07 AM   #13
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What would you say mine is?
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