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Old 05-22-2020, 05:12 AM   #1
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Default LA PALLICE ST NAZAIRE Kriegsmarine u boat pen France badge pin KMW Kriegsmarinewerft

These are four well known postwar KMW badges - pins , please shows the original ones in your collection!

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Old 05-23-2020, 04:18 PM   #2
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I know there was a past discussion thread on these but I can't find it at the moment with the search function broken. Here are obverse and reverse views of the same repros, sold by epicmilitaria.com.
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Old 05-23-2020, 04:20 PM   #3
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Whereas these ones, from a Hermann Historica auction, were felt to be originals.
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Old 05-23-2020, 05:08 PM   #4
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Here are side-by-side comparisons between the accepted types and the fakes.
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Old 05-23-2020, 05:11 PM   #5
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And here are three artificially aged fakes sold by James & Sons Auctioneers in 2014-15.
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Old 05-23-2020, 06:28 PM   #6
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Hi,

the three said originals are from HH 58 (Musée de la percée d'Avranches), lot 8569 (November 12, 2009).

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Old 05-23-2020, 06:53 PM   #7
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Hi,

the repros are most probably originally done by and for JMF Collections International (they are sold as repros, jmcirque on eBay) :

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Lot-4-Insign...O/273032629707

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Old 05-23-2020, 07:07 PM   #8
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Hi,

the green and red badges from the collection of the Musée d'Orbigny-Bernon (now in the Musée des Beaux-Arts de la Rochelle archives).

http://www.alienor.org/collections-d...t-b-la-pallice

http://www.alienor.org/collections-d...e-u-la-pallice

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Old 05-23-2020, 07:13 PM   #9
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Hi,

the blue "147" is from Aiolfi Autumn 2018 auction, lot 1605.

http://www.aiolfi.com/vente/1053-ven...saint-nazaire/

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Hi,

at least two other types of badges are presented in the "Bunker de la Rochelle" museum :

http://suitehistoirefamillefoullonne...a-pallice.html

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Old 05-23-2020, 08:17 PM   #11
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Quote:
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Hi,

the repros are most probably originally done by and for JMF Collections International (they are sold as repros, jmcirque on eBay) :

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Lot-4-Insign...O/273032629707

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Hard to say where the repros are made. As mentioned, they're also sold by epicmilitaria.com in the UK:
https://www.epicmilitaria.com/catalo...e+worker+badge

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Old 05-23-2020, 08:24 PM   #12
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Hi,

it seemed that jmcirque is mainly focussing on French related stuff that he has produced especially for him by various foreign manufacturers. As i collect some specific repros (ex : "Charlemagne" cufftitles), i discovered that most dealers are trading stuff with him.
But it is true that the badges are proposed for the same price by the two dealers.

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Old 05-23-2020, 09:35 PM   #13
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Hi,

a yellow "Box" badge, again from Aiolfi Autumn 2018 auction, lot 1603.

http://www.aiolfi.com/vente/1053-ven...e-la-palice-2/

You can notice that the French worker ("Barat" ?) decided to use it as a curb chain.

Pictures courtesy of Aiolfi.com.

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