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Is this M38 genuine? Hoping for expert advice
Old 01-12-2018, 04:42 AM   #1
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Default Is this M38 genuine? Hoping for expert advice

Hi All,

Would be very appreciative of advice as to whether this M38 (ET68, 6311) is genuine or a copy. The seller maintained that it is genuine but was hoping for some expert advice.

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Old 01-12-2018, 09:30 AM   #2
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:37 AM   #3
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Indeed, a complete fake. The seller is wrong.
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Old 01-12-2018, 02:40 PM   #4
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I frankly don't know what is worse , the carpet or the helmet. J
 

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Thanks so much for the quick responses, much appreciated!
 

Old 01-13-2018, 12:08 AM   #6
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I frankly don't know what is worse , the carpet or the helmet. J
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:47 AM   #7
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You'd better return it.
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Old 01-15-2018, 12:50 AM   #9
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If your wanting to buy an un touched original M38 DD, there's a fantastic one for sale on the E Stand at the moment.
 

Old 01-25-2018, 08:49 AM   #10
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The bogus helmet which is the subject of this thread was just posted on the E-Stand, and for $30,000......

The thread was deleted because photos were not attached, IAW WAF rules. However there was a link to Photo Bucket. It was this helmet.
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Incredible piece of junk!

$30k.....
 

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I am the seller of this helmet and with respect to the poster of the post below, I am a bit dismayed this is being described by him as 'bogus' without any reasons given just because it is pictured next to a very bad carpet by a previous owner. Apart from having a better taste in carpets, on Wednesday of this week, 24th Jan 2018, it has been professionally appraised as a genuine one by a local expert and well known German militaria dealer who specialises in German helmets who is well known to WA. The decals have been carefully scrutinised with a lope. The genuine droop tail eagle decal checks out 100%, it is an original decal in every way possible. It's all very well to call it a bogus helmet without reasons given for doing so however every detail on the entire helmet checks out including comparisons with other genuine ones sold recently with exactly the same number font style etc. This is a genuine early war dark green M38 with the beige coloured rubber. It even has the correct style of eagle decal, one of two used by ET. This decal can also be compared at length with the fake vs genuine on germanhelmetvault.com where anyone can go and double check. Look at the lower foot of the decal and compare it with the only known fake version of this decal and you will see it is the real McCoy. We all understand that there are excellent fakes but this helmet has not been messed with, even the bolts appear to never have been undone. Because of the genuine decal, it almost certainly not even a later repaint in the 70's or later. It would be difficult for anyone calling it bogus to be able to explain why it has a genuine and very rare WW11 droop eagle decal and some of the unique features the liner has that repro's have never managed to reproduce. See the Karl Heisler stamp for example. There is a known generic repro stamp but it doesn't look like this early type with the designation for the M38 in it. I have also forwarded the pics to Frank at German Helmet Vault who will also be able to compare the decal with known repro's. After doing a large amount of due diligence before listing it as the last thing I would want to do as an association member is list a fake, every piece of info I have indicates that it is a genuine early war example in exceptional complete and fine condition. Any inspection is welcome by any expert.

The first thread I put up was deleted only because I didn't understand the rules for how to show detailed pictures in a for sale listing, not for any other reason and I linked it to my own photobucket account. I have since put the thread up, following the rules of posting the pics direct to the WA server, taking in all the tiny details of the helmet. I will also later post a comparison of the droop tailed decal with a repro v real and the repro sticks out like a sore thumb compared to my original decal on the helmet for sale which is identical to an original. My name is Jeremy Havard and you are welcome to call me, ask for identification from myself, send someone over to inspect etc.

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Old 01-25-2018, 11:31 PM   #13
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It saddens me that such an obvious fake is being peddled out of my country and shows how utterly hopeless so called expert helmet appraisers are in Australia. I see it all the time, amateur antique dealers peddling rubbish and believing that it is real. As for the owner, coming on here and trying to push a 30k helmet on your first post, come on !
 

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I am the seller of this helmet and with respect to Willi, I am a bit dismayed this is being described by him as 'bogus' without any reasons given just because it is pictured next to a very bad carpet by a previous owner. On Wednesday of this week, 24th Jan 2018, it has been professionally appraised as a genuine one by a local expert and well known German militaria dealer who specialises in German helmets who is well known to WA. The decals have been carefully scrutinised with a lope. The genuine droop tail eagle decal checks out 100%, it is an original decal in every way possible. It's all very well to call it a bogus helmet without reasons given for doing so however every detail on the entire helmet checks out including comparisons with other genuine ones sold recently with exactly the same number fonts etc. This is a genuine early war dark green M38 with the beige coloured rubber. It even has the correct style of eagle decal (one of two used by ET). This decal can also be compared at length with the fake vs genuine on germanhelmetvault.com where anyone can go and double check. Look at the lower foot of the decal and compare it with the only known fake version of this decal and you will see it is the real McCoy. We all understand that there are excellent fakes but this helmet has not been messed with, even the bolts appear to never have been undone. Because of the genuine decal, it almost certainly not even a later repaint. It would be difficult for anyone calling it bogus to be able to explain why it has a genuine WW11 droop eagle decal and some of the unique features the liner has that repro's have never managed to reproduce. See the Karl Heisler stamp for example. There is a known repro stamp but it doesn't look like this early type with the designation for M38 in it. I have also forwarded the pics to Frank at German Helmet Vault who will also be able to compare the decal with known repro's. After doing a large amount of due diligence before listing it as the last thing I would want to do as an association member is list a fake, every piece of info I have indicates that it is a genuine early war example in exceptional complete and fine condition. Any inspection is welcome by any expert.
Take it or leave it, you have just had opinions from some of the best names in German helmets on earth and it is possibly one of the easiest fakes that they have had to assess. I truly hope that you never paid much for this and can get your money back. You have obviously never held a real German helmet if you think this poor reproduction is real. Bill
 

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I am the seller of this helmet and with respect to the poster of the post below, I am a bit dismayed this is being described by him as 'bogus' without any reasons given just because it is pictured next to a very bad carpet by a previous owner. Apart from having a better taste in carpets, on Wednesday of this week, 24th Jan 2018, it has been professionally appraised as a genuine one by a local expert and well known German militaria dealer who specialises in German helmets who is well known to WA. The decals have been carefully scrutinised with a lope. The genuine droop tail eagle decal checks out 100%, it is an original decal in every way possible. It's all very well to call it a bogus helmet without reasons given for doing so however every detail on the entire helmet checks out including comparisons with other genuine ones sold recently with exactly the same number font style etc. This is a genuine early war dark green M38 with the beige coloured rubber. It even has the correct style of eagle decal, one of two used by ET. This decal can also be compared at length with the fake vs genuine on germanhelmetvault.com where anyone can go and double check. Look at the lower foot of the decal and compare it with the only known fake version of this decal and you will see it is the real McCoy. We all understand that there are excellent fakes but this helmet has not been messed with, even the bolts appear to never have been undone. Because of the genuine decal, it almost certainly not even a later repaint. It would be difficult for anyone calling it bogus to be able to explain why it has a genuine WW11 droop eagle decal and some of the unique features the liner has that repro's have never managed to reproduce. See the Karl Heisler stamp for example. There is a known repro stamp but it doesn't look like this early type with the designation for M38 in it. I have also forwarded the pics to Frank at German Helmet Vault who will also be able to compare the decal with known repro's. After doing a large amount of due diligence before listing it as the last thing I would want to do as an association member is list a fake, every piece of info I have indicates that it is a genuine early war example in exceptional complete and fine condition. Any inspection is welcome by any expert.
Utter nonsense! Trying to be diplomatic here, but you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Nor does your expert appraiser.
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