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Old 02-13-2019, 02:23 PM   #1
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Gentlemen,

This an interesting subject that is not often explored on our forum. It has been a Favorite of mine for some time. I am going start off with a brief comment of Schützenverein from wiki. I'll then post some picture from the net with some pictures from my own collection.

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A Schützenverein (German for "marksmen's club") is in a local voluntary association found in German-speaking countries revolving around shooting as a sport, often target shooting to Olympic rules or with historic weapons. Although originating as a town militia, a Schützenverein has no military aspects and in many cases often has a more social than sporting purpose.

Origins
These associations originated in late medieval autonomous towns as a form of citizens' militia principally to defend the town.

Germany
Germany has over 15,000 Schützenvereine, with most of them affiliated to the "Deutscher Schützenbund" (German Marksmen's Federation, DSB) umbrella organization. The DSB was founded in 1861 in Gotha and revived in 1951 in Frankfurt am Main following World War II. The DSB's 1,500,000 members makes it the third largest sports organisation in Germany.

Other organisations for sport shooting in Germany include the Bund Deutscher Sportschützen, "Bund der Militär- und Polizeischützen" and the "Deutsche Schießsport Union".[1] These focus more on the sport and offer a wider variety of shooting styles and competition types than the DSB, particularly in the field of large-bore firearms.

Each Schützenverein organizes shooting events, including at the very least an annual Schützenfest. Weapons used may include air rifles, air pistols, small bore weapons and crossbows.

United States
Schuetzenvereins were founded in the United States by German-Americans and acted as a social club for their communities. Each club had a range for target shooting and often also a bar.[2] Larger clubs could have extensive facilities such as an inn, dance hall, music pavilion, zoo, bowling alley, roller coaster, refreshment stands, athletic field, picnic grounds, and other amusements. It was common for tens of thousands of people to attend a major event.

The popularity of these facilities began to decline in America around 1917, when the anti-German sentiment from World War I restricted the activities of German-Americans and led to the prohibition of the use of the German language in public. Many businesses and organizations changed their German names or dissolved. The American Schützenvereine were dealt another serious blow in 1919 when the "Prohibition Act" outlawed the manufacture and sale of alcoholic beverages, the consumption of which was casually mixed with shooting activities.

Schuetzen Park in North Bergen, New Jersey and Schuetzen Park in Davenport, Iowa recall the tradition. The former Deutsch-Amerikanische Schützen Gesellschaft building stands at 12 St. Mark's Place in New York City's East Village, and has been a designated landmark since 2001.

One of the artifacts of this subject not often seen is shooting medals on a medal bar. I'll post the bar that I have and if anyone else has a bar of Schützenverein medals please post it. Or any individual medals, badges, uniforms that you might have related to this subject.

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Old 02-13-2019, 02:25 PM   #2
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They sure have some beautiful medals! Thanks for sharing.
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I am not understanding the connection with the DDR.

I have quite a few of these medals, but have only focused on the pre-1930 ones. Schützen Park in NJ is now completely closed. Even the NY Schützen Korps, which was founded in 1857, was recently disbanded. Most of the remaining clubs in the US no longer do any "traditional" shooting. There is the Columbia Schützenverein in Maryland, where I shoot, which allows the traditional rifles to still be used.

This website in Germany provides alot of information;

http://www.feuerbixler.de

A superb thread on shooting medals at German daggers.com;

http://forum.germandaggers.com/~germ....html#Post6830
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https://www.assra.com/cgi-bin/yabb/Y...m=1485646613/0

A superb thread on the American Single Shot Rifle Association's forum.
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I am not understanding the connection with the DDR.

I have quite a few of these medals, but have only focused on the pre-1930 ones. Schützen Park in NJ is now completely closed. Even the NY Schützen Korps, which was founded in 1857, was recently disbanded. Most of the remaining clubs in the US no longer do any "traditional" shooting. There is the Columbia Schützenverein in Maryland, where I shoot, which allows the traditional rifles to still be used.

This website in Germany provides alot of information;

http://www.feuerbixler.de

A superb thread on shooting medals at German daggers.com;

http://forum.germandaggers.com/~germ....html#Post6830
Willi Z,

Putting it on the DDR Forum was a mistake on my part. I had meant to post it on the BRD forum. I asked to have it moved to the BRD forum but that hasn't happened.

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In the early 2000's a friend of mine planned a book about TR shooting associations. I handed over all what was of interest, which I had available.
Much material (over 100 pages) came from existing manufacturer's catalogues, magazines for tailor's (Rundschau, Schneidermeister etc.),
TR handbooks for shooting, but above all information from "Der Deutsche Schütze" (Offizielle Zeitschrift des Deutschen Schützenverbandes)
between 1937 and 1944.

The plan was not worked out as no publisher was interested in such a book. The subject does not attract, was the thought. Only a few hundred
eventually could be printed. Most would remain in stock for ever. Some years ago my friend died. I would not think for a second to take over
the project/subject.

In my in Germany published book about TR gorgets (German language), the subject "Deutscher Schützenverein" (DSchV) is dealt with with eight pages.
In my book about TR aiguillettes I included also a few pages (pages 256-258 and 626-628).

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Gordon, I moved the thread.

Wilhelm, for those who study the German target shooting tradition which spanned 100s of years, the TR destroyed those traditions. The clubs were banned after 1934, and all the shooting sports were turned into ideological training camps.

That is why on many target arms before the TR you can find the emblem of the last Bundesschiessen, in Leipzig in 1934. Here is one on one of my target pistols.

These 2 books on TR era training rifles provide a great study of that era:

https://simpsonltd.com/training-rifl...reich-germany/

http://www.kkw-dsm34-22lr.com

There is a superb 3-volume series on "Alte Scheibenwaffen" which presents the history of German target shooting. One of the authors is a close friend.

https://www.amazon.com/Alte-Scheiben.../dp/0970760833
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No further comment. You should read the official magazine up to 1944!!

Then you would know they existed within the Deutsches Reichs-Leibesübungen,
had 18,000 unions in 1937 with 660,000 members. They were re-organized
in 1935 to be again active from January 1, 1936.
Got a new uniform with new insignia (a ranking system) in 1937 and got a series
of quite nice branch insignia. Got also a special dagger (Hirschfänger) since
1939, as well as special patches for championship and such. They were active
until at least the fall of 1944.

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I am familiar with the DRL and know that era well. It was founded in July of 1934. My point is the fact that those who study the traditions of German target shooting, which were brought over to the US in the mid-19th century and present all over the US, the TR era is not that interesting. So, I could understand why a book pertaining to the TR would not be popular.

I have not read the publication you mention.

While this book sells ok, it is not that popular in Germany;

http://www.waffenbuecher.com/publika...uetzenpatrone/

It is certainly nice to see how many shooting clubs in Germany are again supporting the older traditions. They even now have a Zündnadelgewehr national championship.
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Gordon, I moved the thread.

Wilhelm, for those who study the German target shooting tradition which spanned 100s of years, the TR destroyed those traditions. The clubs were banned after 1934, and all the shooting sports were turned into ideological training camps.

That is why on many target arms before the TR you can find the emblem of the last Bundesschiessen, in Leipzig in 1934. Here is one on one of my target pistols.

These 2 books on TR era training rifles provide a great study of that era:

https://simpsonltd.com/training-rifl...reich-germany/

http://www.kkw-dsm34-22lr.com

There is a superb 3-volume series on "Alte Scheibenwaffen" which presents the history of German target shooting. One of the authors is a close friend.

https://www.amazon.com/Alte-Scheiben.../dp/0970760833
Willi,

Thanks for the info on the books on these rifles. I sold my SA marked DSM34 several years ago to a chap in Texas. I also had an air rifle that was a clone of the Kar98k that went to someone in the U.S.

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In the early 2000's a friend of mine planned a book about TR shooting associations. I handed over all what was of interest, which I had available.
Much material (over 100 pages) came from existing manufacturer's catalogues, magazines for tailor's (Rundschau, Schneidermeister etc.),
TR handbooks for shooting, but above all information from "Der Deutsche Schütze" (Offizielle Zeitschrift des Deutschen Schützenverbandes)
between 1937 and 1944.

The plan was not worked out as no publisher was interested in such a book. The subject does not attract, was the thought. Only a few hundred
eventually could be printed. Most would remain in stock for ever. Some years ago my friend died. I would not think for a second to take over
the project/subject.

In my in Germany published book about TR gorgets (German language), the subject "Deutscher Schützenverein" (DSchV) is dealt with with eight pages.
In my book about TR aiguillettes I included also a few pages (pages 256-258 and 626-628).
Wim,

Thanks for adding this interesting information to the thread. It prompted me to reread the pages in your aigillettes book. I had intended to post some pictures of the post war West German uniforms to this thread and I'll do that later today.

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Gentlemen,

I picture of some post war shooting badges in my collection.

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Gordon, they are both superb books. Must haves! I have a bunch of those .22s and shoot them frequently, as it does no harm to them. Also have a couple of 4mms and air rifles. My Father also collected them, as he always enjoyed them as a boy in 1930s Germany.
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Gordon, those interesting. What is the "DSBK" one with the Kyffhäuser on it?
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