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Old 11-22-2019, 03:22 PM   #1
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Hey guys.

I got this from a US Veteran Estate...came with all his German bring-backs.

Has 2 official seals...everything is hand-written...and it is dated 1941.

Sadly, I cannot read it, due to the style of the writing. Maybe someone can recognize the seals?

Thoughts?

TIA

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Old 11-22-2019, 03:30 PM   #2
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Hi Mike

Are you sure that’s 1941? The photos suggest it’s a vellum document dated 1541...

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Old 11-22-2019, 03:35 PM   #3
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oooooooooooooo...

You could be right there.

I assumed that was a sloppy "9"...given the fact that it came back with a US Veteran...

mmmmmm...

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Old 11-22-2019, 03:38 PM   #4
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Hi Mike

I have a few vellum manuscripts, though my oldest is from the later part of the 16th century. If I’m judging your document correctly, it’s an interesting and pretty old item. The seal looks magnificent!

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Old 11-22-2019, 03:44 PM   #5
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thanks!!

Will try to find someone local who I can maybe take it to, in order to shine some light into what it says and what it can be.



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Old 11-22-2019, 04:11 PM   #6
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It will be interesting to hear what you find. It doesn’t look like an indenture, i.e. a two part manuscript recording an agreement. Perhaps it’s an edict or proclamation, as it starts off with words to the effect of ‘from/of God’s grace...’ Such documents usually follow a standard format, but my knowledge is limited!

Thanks for sharing - and keep doing so!

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Old 11-22-2019, 04:16 PM   #7
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That's a very interesting item, hopefully you can find out what it says and post back here what you find out.
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Old 11-25-2019, 07:57 AM   #8
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Does look like a 16C document town charter or alike.

Definetly looks like the style early high German legal document. The long slashes between the sentenaces are diognostic at least from what I remember from years gone by.

The condition is a little too clean which makes me think if could be a high quality reporduction of some document.

Could be an item liberated by said GI from a town hall/Monistary cabinet.
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:55 AM   #9
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Hi!

100% it is not repro...

Not really sure who to take it to get looked at...

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Old 11-25-2019, 09:07 AM   #10
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A good museum should point you in the right direction.
Please keep us informed on the outcome
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Old 11-25-2019, 05:00 PM   #11
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These chaps are quite reputable

https://rarebookbuyer.com/free-rare-book-evaluation/


Sending them a photo might be worth the 5 mins it takes.
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:19 PM   #12
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A clearer photo of the wax seal could tell us what town/state/prince issued this document.

Just had a coworker (Dr. rer. nat. habil. Schumann) looking at it. He couldn't read much of it either. He learned Sutterlinschrift in grade school (old teacher made them!) ...

Anyway, I see bits and pieces. I did a word search on some key phrases and have a bit more of the puzzel pieced together for you. So far, I have the title of the persons authorizing the Patent: Markgraf Georg and Albrecht von Brandenburg. Two brothers. The rest is up to you or other researchers!!

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Von Gottes gnaden Wir Georg und Albrecht, [?gelettern?], bede Markgraf zu Brandenburg zur Stetin Pommern der Cassuben und Wenden ... Herzog Burggraf zur Nürenberg und fürst zur Rügen erben...... ... ...... und inhm das In Craftt dis brieffs, Nachdem In Unsern Fürstenthumer .... und von Iringer {??]...Romischer ...[no way to make the next word Kaiserliche] ...
I'm not a coin researcher ... but I think this coin shows the same Georg & Albrecht [sic Albert] with the patent. The crossed 7 between the names is an old form of "&".


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Documents from the word search.
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Old 11-26-2019, 12:08 AM   #14
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Could you post more shots of the titles and names after 'von Gottes Gnaden'? The name Albrecht is there, and Nuernberg, but he was Burggraf in the late 14th century. Nuremberg was the repository of the Holy Roman Empire's regalia, so this could be a very interesting find.
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Old 11-26-2019, 07:25 AM   #15
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I did find this site

https://www.monasterium.net/mom/AT-S...3_L_02/charter

Some simlar docs found there.

I am sort of leaning to a legal contract, will or deed

I would key in on the seal and identify that and work backwards from there

Can find the word 'Urkuned' or 'HeidUrk' in the doc?
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