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Old 07-13-2019, 04:25 AM   #46
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Dear all!
It has been a while since the last entry in this thread, so I thought I would revive it a little
Iīve stumbled over this peculiar specimen in german ebay and was wondering whether it could be real.
There are several differences to the other examples shown in this thread before:
The eagle looks to the right with gaping beak, golden acorns, no makers mark...
The owner claims it to be an early (prototype)-badge and gives this page as a reference:
kituntetes.webnode.hu/jelvenyek/monarchias-repulosjelveny
So: What do you guys think or know about this variant? Is it a fake or a variant or just a different interpretation of a known scheme?
I would be happy with every input!
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Old 07-13-2019, 04:27 AM   #47
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More pics...
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Old 07-13-2019, 08:20 AM   #48
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In my opinion, these pieces with oak (rather than laurel) wreath are unofficial private purchases. I have seen them in many variants of hardware, rivets (and prongs), material (tombac or solid silver) and finish, which leads me to think they were produced for quite a long period of time, and not only by one jeweler.

Speaking about the hypothesis that this is a prototype variant, that Hungarian page is the only one to claim such opinion so far. But having in mind how less we know about these badges, it is still possible to claim. The only thing left to explain is how prototypes made it to the market in such amounts and in so many (not only) hardware variations.

Regarding this piece, I would pass it just because it is not the best example of this type. Prevailing number of these had the acorns enamelled red which results in quite extraordinary look (though even more far away from Zimbler awarded originals). Looking at the hardware as well, this is probably a very late piece (Iīd say 1960s).
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Old 07-14-2019, 03:04 PM   #49
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Hi Miro!
Thanks for your opinion - but laurels ? Aren‘t the leaves on the wreaths of the pilots badges not generally oaks?
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Old 07-14-2019, 04:14 PM   #50
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Hi Miro!
Thanks for your opinion - but laurels ? Aren‘t the leaves on the wreaths of the pilots badges not generally oaks?
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Iīve never said I was good in biology, so I can stand corrected.
All I wanted to point out is, that regardless of the fact which plant is depicted on Austrian pilot badges, the type in question is the only one of all awarded types and private purchases I know to have acorns in the wreath.
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Old 07-17-2019, 02:52 AM   #51
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Hello,
this badge is a piece made for private purchase, by Messrs. Rothe & Neffe, Vienna. It was produced in many variations of fastening, like pin, clip, etc.
The quality and manufacture, allows me to attribute it to the early post-1945 production.
All the best,
Enzo (E. L.)
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Old 07-17-2019, 06:15 AM   #52
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Thank you both for your esteemed opinion - very much appreciated!
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:35 AM   #53
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I agree that Rothe&Neffe was involved in making these (letīs call them) Acorn variants, but I am sure there were also other makers.

I personally like this type, and still donīt have one in my collection, but my reference folder has already five badges I was outbid on. Three of them are unmarked, but two have makerīs marks.

First one is stamped with typical triple leaf around the letters BSW of company Bruder Schneider Wien. Second one has the makerīs mark on eagle only partially visible, as there was no picture with opened pin available.

AR---ZAS
BU---EST (probably Budapest)

If someone is interested to post these pictures here, I can send them via email.
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Old 07-17-2019, 12:36 PM   #54
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Thanks to Miro for his pictures of his "acorn"-badges with makers mark
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Old 07-17-2019, 12:53 PM   #55
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...and here are the other - unmarked - examples from his files, one made of solid silver

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Old 08-14-2019, 08:27 PM   #56
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Old 08-26-2019, 03:27 PM   #57
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If I understand correctly, in post #56 we have an original in the left and a fake in the right, is this correct?
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