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Old 07-15-2019, 08:51 AM   #1
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Thinking of buying, but a lot of controversy with Cupal style S&L's. Opinions on this piece would be appreciated. 2 photos are all I could get.
Thank you. Dave.
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Rear shot. I noticed on rivet is aluminum and the other is brass.
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Old 07-15-2019, 04:08 PM   #3
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Old 07-15-2019, 05:27 PM   #4
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Hi Dave, these are tough, not too many people feel comfortable around them.
I used to own one like this, for me - yours is a great and not too often encountered original!
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Old 07-15-2019, 07:09 PM   #5
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Hi Dave

Postwar S&L for me, 1950s IMO.

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Old 07-16-2019, 06:50 AM   #6
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Here is a nice wartime example with patina to compare with

The German para's name is scratched on the back but very hard to read.

I should clean off the zinc pest and verdigrease but these are so hard to verify. The ravish of time is probably best left as is,

Chris

p.s. nearly forgot, this trop tunic eagle in the last image was with it too
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:26 AM   #7
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Chris, do you have a picture of the vet wearing this type of Para badge?


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Chris, do you have a picture of the vet wearing this type of Para badge?

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No Tom,

sadly I do not. I know that is probably the link in chain that you are seeking,

All I can say is that this one has got some real age and use too it. Plus the pin has the classic bend with broken hook from being pull off the tunic. And the repaired rivet is a very typical German wartime field repair, often seen on aluminum pilot/ aircrew badges,

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No Tom,

sadly I do not. I know that is probably the link in chain that you are seeking,

All I can say is that this one has got some real age and use too it. Plus the pin has the classic bend with broken hook from being pull off the tunic. And the repaired rivet is a very typical German wartime field repair, often seen on aluminum pilot/ aircrew badges,

Chris

Thanks Chris, thats a shame. Unfortunately we don't know when this badge was picked up by the veteran you got it from. The pin tool mark at the top appears to possibly be the "wartime dimple", hard to be sure from this dark pic but that would be a helpful indicator as to possible time of production.


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Thanks Chris, thats a shame. Unfortunately we don't know when this badge was picked up by the veteran you got it from. The pin tool mark at the top appears to possibly be the "wartime dimple", hard to be sure from this dark pic but that would be a helpful indicator as to possible time of production.

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I never got to meet or talk to the veteran Tom. If I had, I would have tried to have found out a lot more about it

Here are a couple of images of the "dimple" for you to double check.

And a better image of the bent pin to show you what I mean by the classic "ripped off the tunic". I have encountered that more than once and was told they were not bothered to undo the pin. Just pull it off. I still have a bronze Panzer badge and an Infantry Assault which I do know the war history of with the same thing,

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p.s. just added an image of the "wing notches" They badge has had fair bit of wear and not been cared for. Thus the edge of the wing is fattened a bit but the wing notches are there.
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Old 07-17-2019, 07:05 AM   #11
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Hi Chris,


Thanks for the closeup of the pin, it is indeed the wartime dimple and NOT the 1957er scrape so that is a positive sign on wartime production. Not conclusive unfortunately because we know S&L had leftover hardware that was used on their postwar production and souveniers, but its a good sign for your badge IMO.


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