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Old 06-22-2019, 12:27 PM   #16
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Very, very nice badge. The cut out has nothing to do with the die forging proces.



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True, a matter of handfinishing.
The earliest examples have the sharp, deep cut outs.
Later these were more filed off. Frequent rubbing against the uniform caused marks.
Hence the later models were more uniform approved.
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Old 06-22-2019, 01:55 PM   #17
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I'm a bit confused. I own a J1 pilot with the cut out between the eagle's legs. I looks like it is part of the original die.

Seb, are you saying that the cut out was discretionary, and up to the whim of the assembler, who could create it without the hole being part of the die?

Or is it a separate die?

Please explain.
Yes the die had no holes in between the legs, these holes or ''cut out'' was discretionary to the worker and totally done by hand finish. That's why I said it has no meaning on time line or its not a different variant. Hope it help Gary

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Old 06-22-2019, 02:45 PM   #18
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Yes the die had no holes in between the legs, these holes or ''cut out'' was discretionary to the worker and totally done by hand finish. That's why I said it has no meaning on time line or its not a different variant. Hope it help Gary

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Seb, thanks for the reply.

If the cut out was done by hand, why is it that all of the cut outs I have observed on the reverse appear to identical, having the rough shape of the State of Utah?

Woudn't there be variations in the hole if done by hand?

Could other members with J1 cut outs please if possible post pictures of the reverse of the badge.

That would certainly help. Maybe my imagination.
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Old 06-22-2019, 05:37 PM   #19
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Seb, thanks for the reply.

If the cut out was done by hand, why is it that all of the cut outs I have observed on the reverse appear to identical, having the rough shape of the State of Utah?

Woudn't there be variations in the hole if done by hand?

Could other members with J1 cut outs please if possible post pictures of the reverse of the badge.

That would certainly help. Maybe my imagination.
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Old 06-22-2019, 06:23 PM   #20
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Variations are endless, with a die it would be the same on every examples.

Round hole (Drilled)
Round holes (3 Drilled Holes)
Utaht State ( Drilled and saw cutted)
Square (Drilled and saw cutted)
Oval (Drilled and saw)
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Old 06-22-2019, 10:38 PM   #21
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Thanks Seb, proof positive.
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Old 06-23-2019, 12:20 AM   #22
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Excellent badge, after this catch you can assume, that it comes from transitional, the production of J1.
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Old 06-23-2019, 08:45 AM   #23
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Thanks guys!...I appreciate the all the other on the set....It always helps me sleep better on these expensive purchases to know its a righteous set, without issues.
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