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Old 06-20-2019, 08:06 AM   #1
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Please opinion about this one.
Thanks a lot.

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Old 06-20-2019, 08:07 AM   #2
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Old 06-20-2019, 08:47 AM   #3
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Looks good to me. Rob
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Old 07-21-2019, 12:38 AM   #4
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outside looks like was treated with torch - common way of aging fakes. cant say I like it
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Old 07-22-2019, 01:37 AM   #5
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In many places the green goes over the black separating lines, suggesting it was done after they were added not before as you would expect. So perhaps the green is a later addition added to replace the missing original paint.

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Old 07-22-2019, 09:04 AM   #6
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In addition to 2 of the rivets being different from the 3rd one, why are the 2 without any real wear? Just for starters. More photos of details are needed, but lots of concerns here.
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Agree with Michael, Dom, and Willi. Paint has been reworked or "embellished."

Certainly one to avoid.
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In addition to 2 of the rivets being different from the 3rd one, why are the 2 without any real wear? Just for starters. More photos of details are needed, but lots of concerns here.
Indeed, the fact the rivet with the larger head is not at the rear of the helmet to hold the strap for the strimpanzer in place speaks volumes.

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"the rear of the helmet to hold the strap for the strimpanzer"


I did not know that's why it was bigger!

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Indeed, the fact the rivet with the larger head is not at the rear of the helmet to hold the strap for the strimpanzer in place speaks volumes.

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I didnt know this either. That little piece of knowledge probably ly helps ID more messed with helmets than anything
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In many places the green goes over the black separating lines, suggesting it was done after they were added not before as you would expect. So perhaps the green is a later addition added to replace the missing original paint.

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Something to consider is that helmets used in the trenches were subject to wear and repainting was done. In some cases, this was done somewhat haphazardly. The inside of the helmet may have been painter post-war; however, the outside should be fine.
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Old 07-22-2019, 12:19 PM   #12
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IMO, it is impossible to know for sure what took place with this helmet. Some could be wartime paint, some post war, or all bad. Bolts replaced or swapped. Certainly not all era IMO.

Untouched WWI camo helmets are not rare.....
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IMO, it is impossible to know for sure what took place with this helmet. Some could be wartime paint, some post war, or all bad. Bolts replaced or swapped. Certainly not all era IMO.

Untouched WWI camo helmets are not rare.....
I saw the split pins; they don't appear to be replaced or rebent, I think it is a factory error. You know a few beers during lunch and returning to work, it happens. The lining could have been replaced as well. We could go on and on, I have no reason to defend this helmet, but I don't think it is as bad as some are making it out to be. The super crisp ones are what concern me, to each their own.
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I saw the split pins; they don't appear to be replaced or rebent, I think it is a factory error. You know a few beers during lunch and returning to work, it happens. The lining could have been replaced as well. We could go on and on, I have no reason to defend this helmet, but I don't think it is as bad as some are making it out to be. The super crisp ones are what concern me, to each their own.
WW1 helmet pins don't have washers and the thicker leather liner bands mean the pins legs were not secured as tightly as the WW2 ones. All this means it is a lot easier to take a WW1 liner pin out and back in again without leaving any sign that it has been done.

As Willi says we will never know for sure and I have started a chart at work to help me avoid starting arguments with total strangers so I am happy to agree to disagree.

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WW1 helmet pins don't have washers and the thicker leather liner bands mean the pins legs were not secured as tightly as the WW2 ones. All this means it is a lot easier to take a WW1 liner pin out and back in again without leaving any sign that it has been done.

As Willi says we will never know for sure and I have started a chart at work to help me avoid starting arguments with total strangers so I am happy to agree to disagree.

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