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Opinion on this "Deutschland" cufftitle?
Old 11-19-2012, 12:31 PM   #1
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Hello Friends! What is your opinion on this "Deutschland" cufftitle? Looks this good or not? Thanks and regards, Guido
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:21 PM   #2
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IMO ...letters are too narrow

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Old 11-19-2012, 03:41 PM   #3
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Who elso have seen an original Rzm Deutschland cuff in Gothic like this?
I have not!

Fake!

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Old 11-19-2012, 03:42 PM   #4
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Who elso have seen an original Rzm Deutschland cuff in Gothic like this?
I have not!

Fake!

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I haven't either
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:52 PM   #5
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Here are two more photos.
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And another photo.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:24 PM   #7
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this one is good...
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this one is good...
No, its a fake as well.

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Old 11-19-2012, 08:21 PM   #9
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I am troubled by the incompleteness of the letter "u" in the cuff presented for discussion. Is it a manufacturing defect? The rest of the cuff seems to be good. It has the proper seriffs, which past fakes have not had. Is this a new fake on the market? I'm not sure about this one.

I agree with Felix that the cuff posted by Biohazard69 is a fake. See http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=83489&page=16 post 240.

Here are four exampless. The first two are from Ulric of Englands SS and Political Cuffbands, 1998, Pages 10 and 28.

Number 3 is from Angolia's Cloth insignia of the SS, 1989, Page 293.

Number 4 is from Gordon Williamson's German Miltary Cuffbands, 1784-Present, Page 186.
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Another from Ulric of England.
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Angolia's Cloth Insignia of the SS.
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Gordon Williamson's German Military Cuffbands 1784-Present.
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I am troubled by the incompleteness of the letter "u" in the cuff presented for discussion. Is it a manufacturing defect? The rest of the cuff seems to be good. It has the proper seriffs, which past fakes have not had. Is this a new fake on the market? I'm not sure about this one.

I agree with Felix that the cuff posted by Biohazard69 is a fake. See http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=83489&page=16 post 240.

Here are four exampless. The first two are from Ulric of Englands SS and Political Cuffbands, 1998, Pages 10 and 28.

Number 3 is from Angolia's Cloth insignia of the SS, 1989, Page 293.

Number 4 is from Gordon Williamson's German Miltary Cuffbands, 1784-Present, Page 186.
There are many more differences than just "u" if you compare it with the original example shown in the books that you posted. There were variations of Deutchland cuff title but this cuff does not match any known (to me) original examples.

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Old 11-20-2012, 07:46 AM   #14
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Thank you for your opinion and help. Kind regards, Guido
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:03 PM   #15
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I really think this is a original cufftitle , band material is real , embroidery is typical of period. If this band was stretched tight the lettering would be more uniform. On these cotton embroidery types letter width can vary considerably. The earlier patterns seem as a rule to be thicker, as to shape I think it falls into accepted guidelines . I believe this one to be a earlier pattern. Another argument to be made is if it was a repro , why use the common "Deutschland" why not "Brandenburg" or Oberbayern or ?? you get where I am going.... I
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