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Old 11-16-2012, 11:03 AM   #1
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Has anyone seen a lower number Gestapo disc that this one?
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:06 PM   #2
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Not sure thats a good one, looks a poor quality strike
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:46 PM   #3
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Not sure that's a good one, looks a poor quality strike
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No, that's a good one. Quite a bit of wear.

TGN, did you buy it from Don or just borrow the picture. Disc is identical to the one in the pics he sent me. I don't know of a Gestapo disc number lower, but there are lower disc numbers. And this one is one of only two duplicate disc number mistakes made by the RSHA.
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Not sure thats a good one, looks a poor quality strike
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and obvious poor attempt to artificially age it in order to hide the poor quality
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:19 PM   #5
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and obvious poor attempt to artificially age it in order to hide the poor quality
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These comments are really funny. This disc was owned by Don Bible before most people knew anything about discs. It is as right as rain.
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These comments are really funny. This disc was owned by Don Bible before most people knew anything about discs. It is as right as rain.
there is no comparison with the example he posted http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=346700

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A picture of the Gestapo disc of Herbert Kolander is attached here. It was kept in a Czech family for over sixty years.



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Old 11-16-2012, 01:43 PM   #7
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Of course there is no comparison between the two discs. Do you seriously believe all discs must look alike in wear and tear? And you will discount as a fake a well worn early nickle silver example that was probably issued within a year of the creation of the new discs by comparing it to an obviously lesser used example.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:35 PM   #8
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No, that's a good one. Quite a bit of wear.

TGN, did you buy it from Don or just borrow the picture. Disc is identical to the one in the pics he sent me. I don't know of a Gestapo disc number lower, but there are lower disc numbers. And this one is one of only two duplicate disc number mistakes made by the RSHA.
...does this mean you know an other 264 disc?
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A friend just told me about Gestapo disc # 264 being posted on this forum, and that there had been some question of its originality.

This disc was bought by me years ago and was in my collection for many years. The picture posted here is not of good quality. If one wants to see what the disc really looks like, it can be seen on the website for Oak Leaf Militaria where it was for sale a few days ago. I don't know it it has been sold or not.

The disc has considerable wear but is absolutely original if any Gestapo disc ever was!! It is the lowest number I have ever owned or ever seen or heard of, and I have owned well over 20 original Gestapo discs myself in the past 20 odd years. I have examined many more for other owners. It is probably older than either Mametz or Achtung...and very likely older than their combined ages.

It cannot be compared to the disc owned by Gestapo Polizei Inspektor Herbert Kolander. His son told me that he seldom carried his disc as his office was in the Main Gestapo Headquarters in Prague.

That is how it came to be in possession of the Czech family who had it for so many years. Mr. Kolander's wife left it with them for safe keeping when her and their daughter had to leave their flat when the Russians were coming into Prague.

Inspektor Kolander was not allowed to return to his home, as he was put in the German convoy leaving the city ahead of the Russians in early May of 1945.

If anyone has further questions about the originality of this disc please post them here , and I will be glad to try to answer them, if sensible.
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...btw the disc is real.
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Of course there is no comparison between the two discs. Do you seriously believe all discs must look alike in wear and tear? And you will discount as a fake a well worn early nickle silver example that was probably issued within a year of the creation of the new discs by comparing it to an obviously lesser used example.
Not comparing the wear and tear but the details. Do you seriously believe they are same?

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I can assure you that both discs were struck on the same set of master dies.

Do you not believe that a metallic object carried in one's pocket on a daily basis is subject to wear over a period of years.

My father like so many men of his generation always carried a U.S. Silver dollar in his pocket for "Good Luck."

I still have the one he was carrying in 1973 when he passed away. It is hardly recognizeable as a coin.
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Not comparing the wear and tear but the details. Do you seriously believe they are same?

...Well I have to admit you got a point there... I do not know if severe wear would cause these differences. I think only pics taken in the same way could give solution. Interesting.
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Wrong again by the look of it respect Dons opinion, the soft
details and the wear put me off
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I can assure you that both discs were struck on the same set of master dies.
I am not sure.

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...Well I have to admit you got a point there... I do not know if severe wear would cause these differences. I think only pics taken in the same way could give solution. Interesting.
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