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Old 03-08-2012, 04:50 PM   #46
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well at this price with some luck you can find four breadbags,maybe not litzmannstadt made but still good
Thanks for the interest Besslein,I own more than I really need,for the moment!
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Old 03-09-2012, 03:34 AM   #47
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Sounds logical and brings thead back to the topic. Sorry but I'm no longer interested in "siton12" cash flow
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Old 03-13-2012, 06:04 PM   #48
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Precisely.I was willing to pay that 178,00 euros so I did bid on it.If that seems high,dont worry I see that but,dont forget that I don't live in Munchen or Litzmannstadt or Silesia or where all the goodies can be found!Here in Athens there is nothing in the Fleamarkets-Fleamarkets my a@@s but that's another story
very true...there is nothing interested to buy in the greek flea markets...nothing at all
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Old 03-14-2012, 07:45 AM   #49
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Old 04-27-2012, 08:48 AM   #50
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Coming back to the main stream of the topic. NEW item stamped Wirtschaftsamt Litzmannstad: Artillery backpack. I've seen before various items including pioneer backpack and bags, tropical bread bag with strap, tropical rucksack but I've never noted any artillery backpack, enjoy
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Old 04-27-2012, 08:49 AM   #51
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Some details:- please note German and British webbing used.
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Old 04-27-2012, 08:52 AM   #52
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..and comparsion of 1943 dated British strap to backapck's parts. Same length, same veawe
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Old 04-28-2012, 08:47 AM   #53
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my, what killer bag, grubhy!
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Old 04-28-2012, 12:57 PM   #54
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Very interresting bag !
I am really happy to have started this interresting thread
by showing my frame.
Never thought that there were these very special circumstances
these items were made under in Lodz.

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Old 05-20-2012, 01:34 PM   #55
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Extremely interesting artillery rucksack!

Has anyone had a thought similar to mine, about what 1943 dated British webbing is doing on this article?

I understood the accepted thinking on the recycling of British webbing that it had been captured at Dunkirk or elsewhere 'on the continent', as we Brits call it, in June 1940.
So logic would seem to dictate, and in my experience many surviving examples using recycled British web show, 1939 & 1940 dated maker marks.

But here we clearly have an original item - of that I have next to no doubt - but with British webbing dated 1943. This is too late even for it to have been recycled from equipment abandoned in August 1942 at the failed raid on Dieppe.

So what theories can you folks suggest to explain this?

Here's my own, just to start the ball rolling

Britain & USA both supplied USSR with "Lend-Lease" equipment. Litzmannstadt/Lodz is closer to the Eastern front than any theatre of war involving British troops, at least until mid-1944, so having some understanding of the way German minds work, it seems quite possible to me that this clearly British webbing may have come from stocks captured from the Soviets.

Despite my being British, I'm no expert on individual items of Pattern '37 web equipment, and don't immediately recognise what the strap on Grubhy's rucksack would originally have been.
My first thought was a weapon sling, but it looks to me more like a soldier's personal equipment strap...

now over to others, probably more expert than me

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how about this frog?

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=591772

think these are british cross straps on Grubhys bag, have to check
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Old 05-21-2012, 02:19 AM   #57
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Hello Jon,

sorry for delay in reply but I did not notice your post in this thread somehow...1943 dated strap has beeen used in this article to illustrate length and weave of rucksack's straps which are identical.

I've never seen any other dates than 1939 or 1940 on British parts which were used by maker headquatered in Litzmannstadt Ghetto so theory about Dunkirk sounds logical.

There is also possibilty of reusing lend-lease of British webbing but need confirmation in more examples of equipment pices made by this maker.

Hello John,

your web frog has been made from ex-British parts for sure!


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Extremely interesting artillery rucksack!

Has anyone had a thought similar to mine, about what 1943 dated British webbing is doing on this article?

I understood the accepted thinking on the recycling of British webbing that it had been captured at Dunkirk or elsewhere 'on the continent', as we Brits call it, in June 1940.
So logic would seem to dictate, and in my experience many surviving examples using recycled British web show, 1939 & 1940 dated maker marks.

But here we clearly have an original item - of that I have next to no doubt - but with British webbing dated 1943. This is too late even for it to have been recycled from equipment abandoned in August 1942 at the failed raid on Dieppe.

So what theories can you folks suggest to explain this?

Here's my own, just to start the ball rolling

Britain & USA both supplied USSR with "Lend-Lease" equipment. Litzmannstadt/Lodz is closer to the Eastern front than any theatre of war involving British troops, at least until mid-1944, so having some understanding of the way German minds work, it seems quite possible to me that this clearly British webbing may have come from stocks captured from the Soviets.

Despite my being British, I'm no expert on individual items of Pattern '37 web equipment, and don't immediately recognise what the strap on Grubhy's rucksack would originally have been.
My first thought was a weapon sling, but it looks to me more like a soldier's personal equipment strap...

now over to others, probably more expert than me

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Old 05-21-2012, 02:22 AM   #58
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That was truly awesome idea Bernhard

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Very interresting bag !
I am really happy to have started this interresting thread
by showing my frame.
Never thought that there were these very special circumstances
these items were made under in Lodz.

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Here is my actual Litzmannstadt Equipment Collection...

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Litzmannstadt Bread Bag combat used and a minty One:
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