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Old 08-01-2017, 06:42 PM   #1
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I'd like to hear some thoughts on this badge please.
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Old 08-01-2017, 06:43 PM   #2
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Old 08-01-2017, 06:44 PM   #3
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The mark. Sorry for the poor foto but this is all I have.
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Old 08-02-2017, 06:25 AM   #4
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I know it's impossible, but I would like to better examine the piece in my hands.

Anyway, I consider this piece as highly suspect.

I see that the reverse is struck with a Maybauer-looking-like mark...

I wouldn't buy it, after the pictures only. In any case, it isn't an award piece.

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Old 08-02-2017, 08:32 AM   #5
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I agree with Enzo, Don! Never seen one constructed like this...

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Old 08-02-2017, 08:39 AM   #6
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Thanks guys. Anyone else care to chime in?
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A couple of more fotos. I don't think the mark is Maybauer. Note also the enamel damage.
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Old 08-03-2017, 04:40 AM   #8
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The mark looks like an Austrian, crowned double-eagle, resting on rays. Ok, I'm close to my 60s, so memory vanishes, but I've never seen such a mark.

The pin's hinge looks like those encountered on German-made pieces.

I see that the badge is also very thick.

A strange piece indeed, quite nice-looking, but as said, not an officially awarded one.

Considering the presence of so many copies and fakes, buying this badge would depend on its price.

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Old 08-03-2017, 06:53 AM   #9
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As said, at best it is postwar copy.

But it is not typical Horvath fake. Wreath speaks for it, it hasnīt typical cutouts of "safe" badges and the execution of leaves is very poor. But the eagle is not typical Horvath type.

I would have few questions before saying something more concrete.
1. Are the enamels of leaves made in one layer, or is each leaf enamelled separately?
2. Can we see the detail of eagle from obverse?
3. Can we see the edge of the eagle?

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Unfortunately these are all I've got to go on.
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Hello,

The term "postwar copy" covers a lot of time (1919-present day). If it is a 1919-1945 copy, I think some collectors would be happy with that as a privately purchased wearer's copy. The fact that this hallmark is not one commonly seen on known modern fakes (or seen at all!) might be a good sign?

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The term "postwar copy" covers a lot of time (1919-present day).
The term "postwar copy" covers the 1919 - 1945 and even later if it was made by jeweller company for veteranīs purposes. The 1945 - present day era would be more likely covered by term "modern fake".

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If it is a 1919-1945 copy, I think some collectors would be happy with that as a privately purchased wearer's copy.
Me too, but I like another kind of postwar copies. Those which are known to be safe, donīt imitate original design. They go their own way in the shape of eagle, in the style, type and shape of the wreath and in the hardware as well.
There are also some postwar copies with identical eagle and wreath as on award pieces, but these are probably made from original Zimbler dies using postwar hardware. From this point, these are not similar but identical in mentioned features.

This piece has Zimbler eagle, but different wreath (though imitating the original one). I donīt rule out such opportunity, but for me, from my humble experience, it is questionable if not suspicious.

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The fact that this hallmark is not one commonly seen on known modern fakes (or seen at all!) might be a good sign?
Austrian pilots badge has a multiple construction, so we shouldnīt forget the possibility of frankensteining - Original (or cast and restamped) Zimbler eagle being assembled with fake wreath.
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Unfortunately these are all I've got to go on.
So I would ask them a seller. Without having them answered, I would surelly pass on this one.
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So, a few more pics. Hopefully we can nail this one down. The oak leaves are individually filled in with enamel. There is a base metal raised border around each one.
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