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Old 07-27-2017, 06:30 PM   #1
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Hello gents, need some help pointing me in the right direction so I can research a sword I just picked up, any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 07-28-2017, 12:39 AM   #2
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The first name is "von Schimonsky"

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schimonsky

The second name is "von Mayer"

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Old 07-28-2017, 02:22 AM   #3
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What type of a sword is it? I looked in the Ehren-Rangliste and a Rangliste from 1911 and I found only one "von Schimonsky", who in 1911 was a Leutnant with the Gren.Rgt.Nr.10. There was no "von Mayer" in this unit. There was a single von Mayer in the 1911, but I can make no correlation between the two soldiers.

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Old 07-28-2017, 07:34 AM   #4
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What type of a sword is it? I looked in the Ehren-Rangliste and a Rangliste from 1911 and I found only one "von Schimonsky", who in 1911 was a Leutnant with the Gren.Rgt.Nr.10. There was no "von Mayer" in this unit. There was a single von Mayer in the 1911, but I can make no correlation between the two soldiers.

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Thanks Chip, here is a link to the topic on the other board where I posted images of the whole sword. I think the 1st name may be Ulrich von Schimony Schimonsky, the crest that is on the sword blade is that of this family, Von Mayer is still a mistery.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=922761

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Old 07-28-2017, 02:35 PM   #5
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Fritz,

I always enjoy these swords, as they present great opportunities for research.

If we assume that the Schimonsky in question is Ulrich, a safe assumption, then I think the following is quite possible.

Ulrich entered Gren. R. 10 on 23.02.1907 and was promoted to Fähnrich on 18.11.1907 and Leutn. on 18.08.1908. He transferred to the Saxon army on 09.02.1912 and entered Hus. R. 20, where he was serving in 1914.

The von Mayer named on the sword and its recipient is, I believe, Paul von Mayer, a Leutn. in Saxon Jäger B. 12 in 1914. He was promoted to Fähnrich on 06.12.1907 and Leutn. on 14.08.1908

With very similar dates of rank as Fähnrichs, these two young men would have entered the Kriegsschule at the same time, though I can't say which one they attended.

Ulich was born 11.04.1887 and received the St. Heinrichs on 09.11.1915.

Paul was born 18.03.1887, was awarded the St. Heinrichs on 29.10.1916 and died 19.07.1947

Obviously, Schimonsky had some affinity for the Saxon army, and that is why he chose to exchange swords with a Saxon Fähnrich and later join the Saxon army. Too bad we don't know what that connection was.

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Old 07-28-2017, 05:04 PM   #6
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Wow!! Thank you VERY much Andy!!

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Old 08-02-2017, 02:08 PM   #7
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Check the rules of nobility and inheritance of titles as he may have inherited the von Mayer just to confirm the number of people you are looking for. I have run across this before when looking up information on a document.
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Thanks Steven, I will 😉👍🏻

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Certainly the abbreviation " s / l. " should play a role here. Possibly " seinem Leutnant " meaning " to his lieutenant " or " to my dear (friend) " would be my guess.
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Certainly the abbreviation " s / l. " should play a role here. Possibly " seinem Leutnant " meaning " to his lieutenant " or " to my dear (friend) " would be my guess.
In general the s/l engraving refers to "seinem lieben"
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In general the s/l engraving refers to "seinem lieben"
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"seinem Leutnant" is here not possible, beacuse we have small "l.", and not capital "L"
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