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Old 11-27-2011, 09:54 AM   #76
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Delving into this further, Orange piped with SS Postschutz is actually not accurate...
and probably not even as a transitional set up (per my earlier "speculative" rendition).

SS-Postschutz (part of the Alg.SS) was a small unit and most likely switched from green/orange piped immediately to fieldgray Algemeine SS uniforms and Waffen SS style uniforms for the lower ranks,
so nothing transitional (mixing things up as my prior speculative illustration).

So based on that here's a better rendition of the latter... oh well...
That kills that idea its possibly SS-Postschutz...with orange-brownish piping...NOT THERE!!

Maybe its regular Post schutz tunic or otherwise 4th Reich? but we CAN conclude its not SS-KZ.

If Darrell English can't furnish better pictures we will never now...
Probably not worth spending more time on without better images as some other members have already concluded!
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:08 PM   #77
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Probably not worth spending more time on without better images as some other members have already concluded!
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If you would not have included the words "Probably" and "without better images" in the above quote you would have said it pefectly.

This thread has been wasting band width for a while now...just be glad the shekels tied up in this "KL Treasure" (??) aren't yours.


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Old 07-24-2012, 09:29 PM   #78
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http://www.berkshireeagle.com/ci_211...locaust-museum Not to dredge up an old thread.... but I just stumbled upon this
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It appears to be the same tunic displayed in the back ground of the photo , so now claimed to be have been owned my Markus Habben,
the KZ commander of KZ Guben. The thread starter (and museum founder who is covered in this article) did state it to be a genuine SS camp, but wanted to know who it possibly belonged to...based on medal loops...

Now it's identified apparently as a camp commander's unform...based on the image caption... (eventhough its very odd for it to be KZ brown piped...unheard of for SS uniforms). Intriguing!

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Old 07-25-2012, 08:37 AM   #80
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I am assuming that the tunic in question was never actually attributed to anyone in the MA auction, and was unnamed, in which case...
Does the writer mean Gusen?



Darrell English stands in front of a table displaying an inmate’s uniform worn inside Nazi concentration camps, and the uniform of Marcus Habben, the head of the Guben concentration camp in 1940-41. (Caroline Bonniver Snyder / Berkshire Eagle Staff )
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:12 AM   #81
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Darrel looks happy now that he knows who the owner was. Jacques
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Old 10-12-2014, 11:04 PM   #82
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....I know the boys very well at MA...And I trust there knowledge..they been at this game longer then most of us have been born...And when Ray told me it came from a widow of a WW2 vet that brought it back...Well that's good enuff for me..
do they have the position to gain financially if you keep purchasing?

Surely, members here have nothing to gain by stating their opinion. Here is the unbiased feedback, people are trying to help you. You have been gravely mistaken. They have helped lead the horse to water and your ignorance and ungrateful replies show what an absolute fool and sucker you have been taken for. Your "friends" saw a pot of honey and licked it clean....you need to find new friends, QUICK!

criminal investigators often look to see who has motive behind the crime. Who gained from you blindly accepting this as an original? If this tunic were found to be correct, you would have people here that live for this kind of stuff beating down your door with offers and praise. You've been provided with arguments that support theory and your defense is the guy that has my money in his pocket says its good? Its authentic because you've collected for a long time, seriously?

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Old 10-13-2014, 06:51 AM   #83
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Somehow William I don't think he's listening to you.

The thread is 2 years old and he wasn't inclined to listen at the time

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He hasn't been on the Forum since 2011. Wonder if his museum is still open...

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Old 10-13-2014, 07:59 AM   #85
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He hasn't been on the Forum since 2011.
Ah well, his loss is our gain

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I see him posting on WW2 groups on facebook (more recent than not) and his profile picture is of him with this tunic so it appears he's more than happy with it. Fake items in museums is something I'll never understand.

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Almost 5 years gone since the last post and nothing changed, D. England is still posting phtos of his fakes on FB.

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Old 07-24-2019, 01:19 PM   #88
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Almost 5 years gone since the last post and nothing changed, D. England is still posting phtos of his fakes on FB.

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Hi,

since then he also bought the Kurt Franz tunic...

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=762752

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urtnrE5eDnU

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Old 07-24-2019, 02:32 PM   #90
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Hi,

... and Darrell closed his museum in June 2014.
The picture shows the infamous KZ uniform, near an ultra fake deportee uniform.

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New England Holocaust Institute and Museum to close doors at end of June
Posted Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:32 pm
By Scott Stafford, Berkshire Eagle Staff

NORTH ADAMS -- After 18 months of displaying artifacts from the darkest days of human history, the New England Holocaust Institute and Museum will close June 30, according to museum operator Darrell English.

A collector of Nazi-era objects for most of his life -- photos, propaganda posters, passports, Nazi documents, even uniforms of both soldiers and prisoners -- English said only a portion of his trove is on display at the museum at 41 Eagle St.

English said the items at the museum depict the rise of Nazism and the demonization of the Jews through the national media. Rare photographs of life in the concentration camps are there, as are records Nazis kept on Jews and prisoners.

It is estimated that 6 million Jews were killed during the Holocaust, the systematic campaign by the Nazis to imprison and exterminate Jewish citizens of Europe in the 1930s and 40s.

As much as the museum has been his mission, and as much as he would like to expand, English said his wife is retiring at the end of June, and they will no longer be able to carry the rent for the 650-square-foot storefront space.

"I'm just not sure we can do this anymore," English said. "Much of our money will have to go to other things."

But there is much more he still hopes to do.

English held up a roll of film he said is a propaganda film produced by Hitler's administration. The film encourages the extermination of the mentally disabled or handicapped because it costs too much to care for them. English said it should be converted to digital and translated so people can see the way the Nazis conditioned the populace to see inherently evil acts as normal and acceptable.

English said he is receptive to the idea of reopening somewhere else, in a more traffic-heavy area, where more people would have the opportunity to benefit from seeing pieces of the past.

"I don't want to give up on it here; this is my hometown," he said. "But there's just not enough people, not enough interest."

Mike Little, an English teacher at Clarksburg Elementary School, said it would be a shame to lose this educational resource.

"I think it's a loss because he's got a lot of great pieces of history you'd have to travel a long way to see, right here in town," said Little, who for years has borrowed artifacts and English's expertise for an annual eighth-grade Holocaust exhibit. "These are artifacts you get to see up close. He gives the artifacts a voice and brings it down to a personal level you can comprehend. Looking at a book is not quite the same thing."

English expressed a certain amount of frustration that more schools haven't turned to the museum as an educational resource.

"I should be the go-to place, and it perplexes me," he said.

Nevertheless, he will continue in his mission to collect the artifacts of a chapter of human history that should not be forgotten.

"I try to help people understand the worst time humanity has ever known," he noted. "This isn't your Uncle Henry's bottle cap collection. This is history in the raw."
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