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Old 08-11-2019, 07:09 PM   #1
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Default Wh tropical boots real or fake?

Was wanting some assistance on these WH tropical high boots to attain whether repro or genuine. I have been getting mixed reviews and Im kind of split because these boots come from a respected dealer COLLECTORS GUILD. so any help appreciated. thanks



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Old 08-11-2019, 07:44 PM   #2
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I would like to see more detailed images before making a call on these.
There are a couple of details I would look at twice.
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Old 08-11-2019, 08:25 PM   #3
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I am no tropical boot expert but these ones have an artificial aging vibe to them.
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Old 08-11-2019, 09:31 PM   #4
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I'm with Mark and Jeff on these. I don't claim to be an expert on Heer trop boots, but have owned three pairs and have examined a few others and don't recall seeing this maker mark in any of them

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Old 08-11-2019, 09:55 PM   #5
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Question for the Tropical boot experts
Wouldn’t you expect a 41 dated boots to be the 1st or second pattern?
Listing says they are 43 dated??? . Viewing on IPhone and it looks to be 41

I’m no expert either on boots , these look like 3rd pattern

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Old 08-11-2019, 11:23 PM   #6
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They are reproductions, most probably czech made ones. The wood pegging was clearly done by hand and not by a machine and the visible seam is another typical trait of those czech boots. Here is a pic for comparison:

They even sport the same toe plates.
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Old 08-12-2019, 01:20 AM   #7
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Question for the Tropical boot experts
Wouldn’t you expect a 41 dated boots to be the 1st or second pattern?
Listing says they are 43 dated??? . Viewing on IPhone and it looks to be 41

I’m no expert either on boots , these look like 3rd pattern

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Agree 3rd pattern boots. This is a well known maker,, have not seen this maker on boots before ?
Looks like 1943 to me, the arms of the three have faded away.
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Thx Tim
Difficult to read date on my iPhone
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Old 08-12-2019, 10:42 AM   #9
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Hptm. Fuhrmann has provided the evidence that has convinced me that these boots are elaborate fakes. The soles pictured, which have details not seen in originals, could almost be the from same pair of boots before and after artificial aging. It has been suggested that LAGO Bayern is a well known maker though I have never heard of this consortium. Is an association of bootmakers even likely? I don't know. I do believe third model boots came into being in late 1941, the transition from first model to third occurring fairly rapidly due to the shortcomings of the previous designs. While faking boots seems like a difficult undertaking, rare footwear like paratrooper boots and tropical boots have undoubtedly been made, apparently in the Czech Republic.
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Old 08-12-2019, 01:48 PM   #10
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Definately not original boots. The sole is key indicator. The fakers ( and even repro makers ) are not able to make correct shape and style.
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They are reproductions, most probably czech made ones. The wood pegging was clearly done by hand and not by a machine and the visible seam is another typical trait of those czech boots. Here is a pic for comparison:

They even sport the same toe plates.
Actulay 'pegging' was made in both ways ( depending from size of the maker ) ; by hand and by machinery.
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Thanks everyone on your assistance with these. I appreciate this. thanks again
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Well even as fakes they are a pretty good looking pair as a filler compared to the other ****e with caramel colored leather and bulbous toes.
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1st pattern boots were manufactured 1940/41, 2nd 1941 for a short period then 3rd pattern production kicked in as OSS says in the later part of 1941.
The soles are a good indicator, but there are a couple of other points which caused me concern - but since I have yet seen one in particular detail mentioned as a pointer to reproduction tropical footwear yet on forums I won't mention it here.
I would still like to handle these. Know the fakes does increase overall knowledge on the subject.
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Old 08-12-2019, 09:15 PM   #15
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I agree these are fakes. I have seen a number of these over the years, and always with that contrived shrunken heel look. Have never seen them as clean as the pair Hptm. Furhmann posted.
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